Idea Tom's class rework series - Rework #1 Mage

Sounds like a ranged pyro lmao

 

I see the potential for this to be way too over powered. The problem lies imo with the flame spell giving extra hearts of true damage. A flame spell can be launched roughly every 3-4 shots of the damage spell. And while taking out the kb is a nice touch, the potential for damage done is way too high. In order for this to be successful, I feel as though you should increase the time it takes to reuse spells. This would make it more powerful, but less spammy which imo would enhance your goal of making mage more skill based.

 

You're right, in this situation mage can be easily rushed since no knock back would be taken from the damage spell. I do like that lightning and freeze are the only methods for spacing and kb.
Regarding what I said about it being op, really only speaks towards those who are really good at mage. But then I guess it's the players who are op, not so much the class.
Finally, yes I'd much rather see a 5-7 second cooldown on flame spell, since attacking with flame spell boosts damage. Looks good to me

 

mage doesn't need a buff

 

No rework for mage needed, and this rework thing sounds like an incredible mess that is only meant for killing people and not playing the actual objective of the game.

 

Mage is being used in matches as a midfield class to stop offensive waves, not to support them. Mainly because an assassin or ninja can easily take down a mage on offense, so no using a mage on offense would be retarded. I would love to hear an explanation on how mage could help against turtling. Mage buff is useless.

 

It averages out to a net buff on Mage and a pretty massive one at that.

Midfielding isn't a thing?

Mage lightning spell can do most of an enemy's healthbar. Damage spell is easily spammed to do high damage over time. Flame spell does little damage but makes landing your lightning/damage spells easier (allowing you to do even more damage). And Mage heal spell is arguably the most powerful heal in the game, allowing Mage to (usually) survive encounters with any class that isn't Assassin and continue to do damage.

Couple things here. Mage already has a role - midfielding. Also your buff doesn't make Mage an offensive support. It just makes it better at midfielding, and therefore more annoying, than it already is.

How this buff does not make Mage an offensive class: no effective way to counter Assassins. Cannot block and hard to land lightning spell, even with reduced cooldown, on a target with speed III.

How this buff does not make Mage a support class: it massively buffs all of its damaging abilities. When you do that you angle Mage towards getting kills rather than healing allies or whatever.

Mage can already be used to kill tanky classes. There is no reason for it to be better at it by buffing its crowd control (halving lightning spell cooldown), buffing the damage from its damage spell, and buffing the damage from the flame spell - especially with the "ranged pyro" true damage to burning targets mechanic.

 

And how exactly do you think a mage is going to get through a horde of people defending their carrier?

 

Even with the added damage, Mage really won't help against turtling. Dealing more damage wouldn't help anything. As Uni said, a horde of people around a flag carrier will easily take out the Mage.

 

This does not change the fundamental concept of the class: deal damage from afar and keeping enemies at a distance while taking minimal damage. That is the issue with the class, that it can be considered a melee class that has 10 block range with slower damage and some abilities. Even as Chemist with speed and regen I often have trouble reaching the mage in rough terrain or indoors and by the end of the fight my resources are drained. As well, even if I run away this does not weaken the mage in any way except for a couple seconds when spells recharge. Meanwhile I'm down potions and require a Medic to have the same amount of resources as I did when I left spawn.

 

1st of all, flag carriers will most likely have more than 2-3 players defending them including a ninja / class that deals a lot of damage in a short amount of time. As a mage you'll have a very hard time actually getting to the flagcarrier and then you have to start assaulting him. This already is basically impossible in most of th cases. You can't freeze / lightning away an entire defense of a team as mage, neither will your rework improve the damage it does to an actual carrier, they can move in case you forgot.

Mage is not a killfarm class, it's meant to stall offenses / recoveries at midfield, possibly giving a minor bit of assist on recovery but will never and should never affect the game as a gamechanger. Mage shouldn't be focused on killing people, it should be focused on assisting, delaying, winning time, being annoying af at midfield. There are plenty of classes for offense / recov that are way better than current mage and what you suggest mage to be.
You're not convincing me with this
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If you'd really want to give these classes a rework, make suggestions for pyro. Always has been the core defense and the best thing to use against heavies / soldiers on defense (with the exception of the classes themselves).

About the question asking, I don't see any use in your rework, which is why I didn't bother asking further questions.

 

Yes.