Idea Tom's class rework series - Rework #3 Pyro

Ehhhhhhhhhh this feels like a pyro buff more than a rework.... I think pyro's fine where it is atm

 

I like the idea of pyro melting through freeze spells and webs, but I don't think pyro really needs much work as it currently stands. It definitely leans on its frenzy but overall I'm fine with it as a class. I think archer, necro, assassin and dwarf all are more pressing to rework than pyro right now, but would definitely be interested in this once some of those changes are introduced and the meta starts to change.

 

You make pyro seem pretty weak atm. Just a small flaw in your rework is that the fireball's fire effect lasts for 5 seconds but you have to crouch for 7 seconds to allow the TNT ability and deal the damage on the burning enemies. Even if you use the flint and steel which I'm pretty sure lasts for 10 seconds, the enemy could pretty easily hit you within that 7 second time span. The only way for this to really work is for a teammate pyro, mage, dwarf or some natural fire to set them on fire while you are charging your TNT. Perhaps make the crouch time something like 3 seconds and reduce the damage less to 4-5 hearts? Another problem is that the TNT radius is only 4x4(and x4 if there is a third dimension for his blast radius). TNT actually takes four seconds to detonate so that is plenty of time for the enemy to side step it. The fuse in the TNT would need to be changed to something like 2 seconds for it to be effective. Another issue I noticed is that there is no cool down for the fireballs, so you could spam them anytime you wanted. This makes no sense because current pyro has to actually pull back the bow all the way and before when pyro could just partially pull back the bow and set people one fire, it was considered too op. The cool down needs to be something like 2 seconds because you can run while holding the fire charge while you for the bow you slow down to pull it back.

Anyway, pyro doesn't need a rework. The only thing that people have ever complained about it the frezny right click, and whether or not it should take two or one clicks to activate it. Otherwise, it's actually great where it is and you seem to be the first to ask for a completely new rework. It's currently well balanced and fits its niche of the defensive foundation. This is a creative idea, but you need to look more into how the class is atm and see if it needs change.

 

I like the idea of melting mage Ice Spell. Perhaps if you use flint up close or the bow from afar the ice instantly shatters/melts. I don't like the rest of the rework though, and medic webs are supposed to be strong against Pyro (one of the only classes without a sword)

 

agreed with everyone above. pyro is fine

 

Absolutely not, pyro is terrible at this point, with the medic sharp I buff and buffed heavies literally destroying everything there's no way a pyro can do a decent job. This does not mean this rework is actually going to work cuz it's terrible.

Pyro is a defensive core class, it's not meant to be chasing around their victims across the map to then hopefully kill them. You are very right to make a pyro rework, but this is not what we are looking for right now. Pyro's mobility is fine, putting no limit on fns???? Have you lost your mind???? Blaze speed can be abused so easily, removing the medics cobwebs / mage's ice spell would be really dumb for that is what mostly helps people steal, without that pyro is basically untouchable unless archer / melee pvp.

Your tnt idea looks very similar to the explosive bow we have now, with the exception that this is way too far off what it's meant to do and only focused on killing everything in it's surroundings. As I mentioned on both your other rework threads, ctf classes are not meant to be killfarming, at least try to be play a bit objectively.

 

Heavies and soldiers are easy to light on fire if you'd use the fns properly, the problem isn't the setting on fire, it's the damage aspect, the explosive bow and fns should be enough for any decent pyro to actually do their job as a core flag defender. This pyro would be countered by basically anything cuz short range is still as terrible as the current one. Your mage rework wouldn't have been a proper counter to heavy and soldier either, the only counter at this point, counting your reworks, are assassin pyro and heavy - soldier.

 

If it's not okay, then what do you think would work better?

 

This looks unnecessarily complicated and weaker than it is now. It doesn't need that.

 

THE WEBS AHHHH YES THAT PART PLEASE

 

a compromise between old pyro and current pyro, adding back instakill.
Fyi instakill was removed because Chap wanted to have instakills removed from ctf and pyro was the first one to actually get it, archer and assassin were scheduled to have their instakill removed as well. Never happened (luckily), I would love to see old pyro come back, reworked so it'd fit in the current meta of course.

 

You're right, it'd have to be slightly more powerful since medic has sharpness. Why not give pyro more armor?

 

It's not the damage receiving that needs work, it's the damage it does that needs a rework

 

Sounds like what you're saying is that pyro is getting destroyed, so why not give it more armor so it doesn't get destroyed as easily. Imo, the damage out put is fine, but it needs to be more tanky to survive.