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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Freedom_35, Sep 18, 2017.

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Would you like to see this added?

  1. Sure! +1

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  2. With changes, maybe +0 for now -please say which change(s)

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  3. Undecided, +0

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  4. No, -1 -please say why :D

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  1. Freedom_35

    Freedom_35 Well-Known Member

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    howdy CTF community,
    Wizz here again. As we CTFers know, matches can be fun. You get to communicate with friends/teammates, and play a game you like! But, it also has its flaws. Like the fact that randies (like me) can go to a match server, just by joining a friend. I'm not on a team, but I still like watching some matches from time to time, or chatting with some other spectators.

    Now to the point of the thread. How about we add something that has these effects:
    -If a player is on one of the two teams of the match, and (s)he joins, they get their team color, and yeah, just join their side, as usual.
    -If a player joins who is NOT on one of the two teams, they immediately turn into a spectator. This way they don't have to keep asking a Mod or JMod if they can be spectator. If for some reason they start as spectator even though they're on one of the two teams, something that probably will be quite rare, all they'd have to do is ask for an UNspec. This way you don't have to keep bothering a Mod to make you a spectator, you already become one when you join the server. And if you're on a team, you join your team, as usual,

    I don't know if this ever got brought up before, but imo it could be a handy thing, because sometimes there are like 10 spectators at once, and the Mods keep getting asked to make them spectator. And this way you automatically join as spectator if you're not on one of these two teams. The point of this would be to have the spectators be a less of a nuisance in asking for a spectator role. I hope this idea is useful enough! :smile:
     
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    lul woolctf has this

    love & waffles
     
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    Nakatago Well-Known Member

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  4. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    Some CTF teams blacklist certain players from spectating matches in the first place allowing them to join and instantly get spectator isn't a good thing, there is also normally a limit on specs for some teams too which can cause problems.
    Adding a system of "You are on this team you can play" would be a lot of effort for one and two not effective considering it is achievable right now if you just ask a JMod or Mod to set you into spectator mode. If random people are joining /support and ask for an online Mod to kick them from the server or if you know what you are doing and joining just don't join. -1
     
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  5. Freedom_35

    Freedom_35 Well-Known Member

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    I mostly agree with what you are saying, but this addition would be less of a nuisance to Mods. If there are too many spectators, a Mod can kick a couple new ones. I'm trying to help the mods as well as the teams, but be a little stricter to spectators.
     
  6. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    The Mod could also just not set those players that aren't allowed to spectator and make them leave and keep the limit by just not /spectating over a number of players to that limit. I don't think this idea is being stricter with spectators but more of the opposite that is just my opinion on this.
     
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  7. Freedom_35

    Freedom_35 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, that's what you mean. Sorry, I sort of misread your earlier message. Thanks for the reply :wink:
     
  8. Daveeeeeeeee

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    I don't understand this, all this dev time to save a few seconds of a mods time and it'd be easier to control it manually.
     
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  9. RaZeragon

    RaZeragon TC Co-Leader | Catgirl Enthusiast

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    This is basically an advanced whitelist, and a whitelist needs a roster to go off of. However, CTF teams often have very dynamic rosters with changes 24/7, so it would be more hassle in the long run to keep these rosters updated for the match server. Also, this would be annoying for PPM's and unofficials that have players in the game who might not even be on the roster.

    -1
     
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  10. kamil302

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    stop joining matches u arent playing in and there would be no problem

    stupid random
     
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  11. Freedom_35

    Freedom_35 Well-Known Member

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    umm, there are a bunch of people who do this? And they also might want to spectate? I don't know, it's just a crazy theory.
     
  12. kamil302

    kamil302 Well-Known Member

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    you know what is a simple solution to make matches start on time???

    not joining the match server if you are not playing
     
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  13. Freedom_35

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    ? That's not what I'm talking about. I was just wondering if people would think this is a good idea. It's sort of 50-50 for the votes, but I don't get what you're trying to say. All I'm trying to do is make it possible for non-players to watch matches without getting on the mods nerves, as there are quite a few people who do so. They ask the mods for spectator, which can distract the mod with what he/she is doing.
    And it's not the spectators faults if the match doesn't start on time. That has to do with if the teams are ready and stuff.
     
  14. RaZeragon

    RaZeragon TC Co-Leader | Catgirl Enthusiast

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    If us mods have to constantly attend to random people joining to spec, then we aren't able to start the game on time even if both teams are ready. Long story short, don't join match server if you aren't playing. If you want to spectate a match, ask the teams before just joining and expecting to be set in spectator.
     
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  16. Freedom_35

    Freedom_35 Well-Known Member

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    Then we could maybe just change it to official matches, as unofficial matches and ppms do indeed have different rosters and players. You are correct here. However, this addition might be nice for OFFICIAL matches, in which the teams section have their players whitelisted for matches. So this would be for official matches only, and as you said:
    this addition would more or less solve this issue.
     
  17. RaZeragon

    RaZeragon TC Co-Leader | Catgirl Enthusiast

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    As I said before, if you wanted only people outside of the teams to spec, you would have to essentially create a whitelist for all the teams to be used on the match server. That itself would have to be kept updated with the CTF Official Teams section, and in the long run would cause more work for the people in charge of the list to keep updating as people leave teams / switch teams / create new teams / disband old teams. That being said, you would have to also have a way to only whitelist certain teams for the match server, and our devs should spend their time on more important projects.

    It would just shift all of our work onto the devs and admins in charge of the server whitelists. The issue would also be solved if people checked with the teams playing to decide if they can spec or not, and then mods can just spectate everyone on the server because they don't have to keep checking with the team leaders.
     
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  18. lnformative

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    Pros
    • Allows new players to experience the cancer.
    • Gives me and the rest of the community a reason to complain.
    • ****s and giggles.
    Cons
    • Waste of money (We pay devs)
    • Another thing to fix if it breaks
    • Waste of staff's time (rosters update to frequently)
    • Nobody really cares.
    • PPM's and special events make this inconvenient.
    • Where's wool? (Extremely low priority for what it's worth)

    I'll let you way that one out
     
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  19. Spades_

    Spades_ Former CTF Mod

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    (I'm not a mod, don't quote me on this) giving players spec doesn't seem like a major issue to the point where an auto spec is necessary. I think it's fine where it is, unless ctf mods start complaining in mass then there's really no point to this being added. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it would save time, just not a significant amount of time.
     
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