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Discussion in 'Ideas' started by NickManEA, Oct 22, 2017.

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Should this be added?

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  1. NickManEA

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    The main reason that pushed me to the base idea of this addition is that one of main causes that players leave is that without money (if for example they spent it on something useless, or suddenly became bankrupt) they are hopeless to progress in the game. Some conclusions bankruptcy has is:

    • No guns and armor to protect themselves when trying to enter a base to process the drugs they previously harvested.
    • No horse for travelling. The travelling times are huge when walking by foot. Most players would get bored not even halfway. Therefore most would leave the game.
    • General disadvantage like written above as progress in game is not possible.
    Now, how can we put this idea to work and make it abuse-proof?

    First of all, players would go to the bank. There is an NPC, like there's currently, which when clicked the pop-up GUI would show one more option called "Loan" (preferably a gold block but that's just a small detail). A message would show in chat asking the player to enter the amount of money they would like to borrow.

    The money is later given to a new and distinct carrier for money similar to the current "Wallet" with the main and only difference that the money that is carried in there cannot be dropped. Furthermore, if no money is returned to the bank the player would not be able to borrow any more money until he returns his previous loan.

    And for the ones that don't return their money we could use these discipline methods:
    1. Make it possible to have a negative amount of money ( -x money ) and therefore make them unable buy anything until they get back all that money through selling ores/drugs for example: I didn't pay back the money of my loan and therefore I have negative -(x money that wasn't paid back). If I paid back for example half of it I would get the negative money halved. (Credit goes to @_Karst for this idea).
    2. Be put to prison with the bounty being same with the amount of money that wasn't returned, or higher by an analogy.

    Even with the money part sorted there's still the item dropping part, I will talk about it up next.

    The individual would only be able to buy whatever he wants with that money, whether he uses it with the addition of his wallet money to pay for something they didn't enough money for or fully through his loan money.

    This means no Casinos and drinking (actually the Bartender could work as no money is transferred to a different person in any way unlike the Coin Flipper which there's a chance of that happening).

    As for the item dropping we could use this:
    • We could make items that were bought with loan money unable to be dropped until the loan is returned to the bank. Then the player is free to drop it, gift it etc.

    I think these would help the idea to be put to work.

    What do you think of this updated version of the idea?
     
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  2. Eil

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    Considering bounty decreases by 1 every second while in prison, and also decrease while offline, borrowing 100,000g would land you a 100,000 bounty, but that will be gone in 27.8h by being offline. Even with a loan cap, it can be done repeatedly, and would be a very easy way to get free money (especially when using alts), making the system very abusable.
     
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  3. _Karst

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    I like the concept, but as Eil said. It is very easy to abuse.

    You can have -[amount money]

    Example: I borrowed 100k.
    I give 60k back.
    My moneys says -40k.

    This means you can't buy anything. You first need to pay the 40k, otherwise you can't buy anything. I think this is less abuseable and a very good system.
     
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    And to add to this, people with alts could do literally unlimited amounts of money. -1.
     
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    Too easy to abuse with alts. -1
     
  6. MrSwat_

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    -1 due to being easily abusable as stated by Eil.
     
  7. TheTitaniumTitan

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    I'm agreeing with everyone else on this, I do like the idea though. Maybe some how we could make it less abusable?
     
  8. Fadaad8

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    well from the abuse part -1 but maybe make it so if i have like 0 gold and borrow 50k, then spend all 50k on gear and i don't pay it back, i get -50k money, making it so i can't buy anything or do anything (including borrowing more money) unless i pay it back. Although they do need train tickets so maybe make it free and all drugs processed with go to the bank and decrease the -50k (so basically you don't have to sell it once processed it disappears and minuses off of the bank. (this including all other types of making money).
     
  9. Jbird3604

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    But, again with the alts. If I get a random account from used piles (for free), I can just withdraw lets say, 300K gold, deposit it into my main account, then trash, and not play on the other account, rinse, and repeat.
     
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    well we can make it so the max loan is 10k and theres a thing where you can use alts for free?

    If thats the case they idk what to say to fix that from abuse
     
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  11. NickManEA

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    I see the main issue with this, very understandable but I came with a solution (I think).
    I like your idea Fadaad8 and _Karst, it may work this way, plus that little prison time to discipline the wrong doers.

    And as to give a solution to the alt abuse, we could simply make loans un-droppable by making a distinct thing similar to the wallet with the only difference that it would prevent people from dropping money to give it to an alt.
     
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    From what I have heard, Yes. Famous Hackers who hack on LagPlex,HyPickel,etc. Use them all the time. I don't know where they can be found.

    I think that idea might work the best.
     
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  13. MrSwat_

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    Maybe you get stuck in prison and the bounty doesn't go down when your offline for loans?
     
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  14. Fadaad8

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    I like that idea, but they would still be able to drop the items bought from the loan (example bought a diamond set) unless its like a no body can pick up thing
     
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    I think _Karst's idea will make it far less abusable to zero abusable at all. It is a very solid solution from my point of view.
    I like the concept, but as Eil said. It is very easy to abuse.

    You can have -[amount money]
    Example: I borrowed 100k.
    I give 60k back.
    My moneys says -40k.

    This means you can't buy anything. You first need to pay the 40k, otherwise you can't buy anything. I think this is less abuseable and a very good system.
     
  16. SoCool21

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    If I abused this non-stop with all my alts since the start of Wild West, I'd only need 16 alts to have 1 billion gold right now.

    I'd be at 63 million gold if I did this non-stop since the start of Wild West with just one account.

    This is too easy to abuse, and there's not much of a point. -1
     
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    Yes, this was one of the main issues that came up.
    Do you think those would solve it? :
    + double or triple the prison time depending on the amount of the money that wasn't returned.
     
  18. Fadaad8

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    sorry I'm a little confused NickManEA can you explain the whole thing again with all the prevent abuses stuff?

    so i can read it in 1 comment and understand better xd
     
  19. Doges

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    -1: It doesn't really add any depth to the gameplay and opens up the potential for abuse.
     
  20. NickManEA

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    Understandable.
    Will do later today.

    As to put all the pieces together:

    The main reason that pushed me to the base idea of this addition is that one of main causes that players leave is that without money (if for example they spent it on something useless, or suddenly became bankrupt) they are hopeless to progress in the game. Some conclusions bankruptcy has is:

    • No guns and armor to protect themselves when trying to enter a base to process the drugs they previously harvested.
    • No horse for travelling. The travelling times are huge when walking by foot. Most players would get bored not even halfway. Therefore most would leave the game.
    • General disadvantage like written above as progress in game is not possible.
    Now, how can we put this idea to work and make it abuse-proof?

    First of all, players would go to the bank. There is an NPC, like there's currently, which when clicked the pop-up GUI would show one more option called "Loan" (preferably a gold block but that's just a small detail). A message would show in chat asking the player to enter the amount of money they would like to borrow.

    The money is later given to a new and distinct carrier for money similar to the current "Wallet" with the main and only difference that the money that is carried in there cannot be dropped. Furthermore, if no money is returned to the bank the player would not be able to borrow any more money until he returns his previous loan.

    And for the ones that don't return their money we could use these discipline methods:
    1. Make it possible to have a negative amount of money ( -x money ) and therefore make them unable buy anything until they get back all that money through selling ores/drugs for example: I didn't pay back the money of my loan and therefore I have negative -(x money that wasn't paid back). If I paid back for example half of it I would get the negative money halved. (Credit goes to @_Karst for this idea).
    2. Be put to prison with the bounty being same with the amount of money that wasn't returned, or higher by an analogy.

    Even with the money part sorted there's still the item dropping part, I will talk about it up next.

    The individual would only be able to buy whatever he wants with that money, whether he uses it with the addition of his wallet money to pay for something they didn't enough money for or fully through his loan money.

    This means no Casinos and drinking (actually the Bartender could work as no money is transferred to a different person in any way unlike the Coin Flipper which there's a chance of that happening).

    As for the item dropping we could use this:
    • We could make items that were bought with loan money unable to be dropped until the loan is returned to the bank. Then the player is free to drop it, gift it etc.

    I think these would help the idea to be put to work.

    What do you think of this updated version of the idea?

    @Hitchens, @Eil, @SoCool21, @Doges, @Pyrotheum, @ovq, @TheTitaniumTitan, @Meepism,

    @and mah doode who wanted this brief explanation Fadaad8 <3.
     
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