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The Xray's gone WAY too far

Discussion in 'MC-War' started by iamdroone, Nov 25, 2017.

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  1. iamdroone

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    Well as you know, I got banned for xray and i bought an unban and ever since, I realized more xrayers have been coming online and cheating. Apparently, the mods take almost 2 weeks to ban an xrayer. today I saw about 3 xrayers, did /support about 4 timess and guess what? Haha they aren't banned. Wtf the staff doing? we got cheaters on war and they aren't being banned? I guess cheating is allowed since no one is doing anything about it! the staff always say "we need proof," even when they went in /vanish and blatantly xraying. Tbh, this has gone way too far and more mods need to be hired to ban these kids. And also, there are no war mods who are active that are in the North American region. They all live in EU and they are asleep when we playing so, I guess the hackers are getting lucky!

    What do you think?
    Do you think this xray thing has gone too far?
    (note: do not flame or hacksuate anyone in the comments below)
     
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  2. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    I can't record so even if I wanted to I couldn't :'(
    That's why I only deal with blatant hackers or through reports
     
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  3. Charlie_0014

    Charlie_0014 Build & BT Overlord, Party Sub-Overlord

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    Drone, it's like I'm following you, 3 out of 5 alerts I get are from you posting, lol.
    On a more serious note, if MODs don't come after a few /report or /support s, I just travel around Brawl looking for one, and CTF usually has a MOD on it.
     
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  5. iamdroone

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    Well that shouldn't be happening since they are supposed to be doing their job. It's what they signed up for.
     
  6. Lekosa1

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    MODs don't want to deal with xrayers because they have to record :/
     
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  7. 19kss

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    most mods are useless
     
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  8. iamdroone

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    Well they should record since they are supposed to do their job. As I said earlier, it’s what the signed up for so there is no excuse unless you can’t record at all then that’s okay.
     
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  9. Fista

    Fista War MOD / https://bit.ly/3ffu9pJ

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    I'm ****ing alone in this. Its absolute bs. WHERE THE F ARE THE WAR MODS?? JUST RESIGN ALREADY!!! @warmods @o lol there is only one banning xrayers @this has gone to far... @DarkTitan_ do something my hero.


    #DEREKISMYSMOD
     
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  10. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    This is said with such confidence yet such ignorance that it really irritates me.

    I used to record every ban I made and I was literally unable to continue to do so. I'd start uploading these videos when I went to sleep, and by the time I woke up, they were still uploading. As such, I started "queuing" them up on my PC and ran out of space to store videos. So yes, there is an excuse, shockingly enough.

    Not to mention; I'll gladly accept a pay check from you at the end of every month, but otherwise moderating is not a "job" for any of us.

    In the nicest way possible, I don't think you realise how difficult it is to ban for xray. Here's what you need to take into consideration when banning a player for xray:
    • Are they using "F3+A"? (and no, you can't rely on them moving to the left to see if they're using it, as you can set moving left to another key)
    • Are they in F5?
    • Does anyone have a UAV active?
    • Has the player (or any other player) being xrayed done anything to give away their position? This can be as simple as being seen walking behind a wall, for example. Or, it can be as obscure as the sound of their footsteps giving them away or seeing the text above a tag being picked up through a wall.
    • Is the "xrayer" just pre-shooting round a high-traffic area of the map?
    • Could they just be plain lucky?
    • Possibly another technique a few players used that's never before even crossed my mind.
    And every single point that I brought up here has been excuses used by players we've banned in the past in appeals. Banning for xray is easily the hardest hack to ban for, and I'll harshly criticise any decision to ban for xray unless it's been discussed rigorously throughout the staff team beforehand (and I have done so in the past).

    This is largely out of our control. In the last few months, there's been just one noteworthy staff applicant for War. We can't control who applies for staff.

    The idea of "handpicking" staff members is usually brought up here, so allow me to touch on that: handpicking staff members in the past have been very badly received by the community, as I can say from my own experience. I was handpicked just a month and a half after resigning and remaining active in the community - outside of my friends, most people took it badly and some even decided to send death threats to me.

    That's what happens, really. Treat staff members like crap, and you get crap staff members. When you generalise staff members in this sense, any bad staff member won't care, and any good staff member will be demotivated.
     
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  11. DaddyPurest

    DaddyPurest Ex-Party Mod

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    If you want more mods you can step up and make the difference. Become more mature, and dedicate so that you can become a mod. I would also like to remind you that all mods are volunteers, we are not being paid to catch hackers, we do it because we love the game mode and want to make a bigger difference then we are given the chance to as white names. Also, you can always record your self and report hackers usuing the appropriate steps. Thanks.
     
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  12. Corcustos

    Corcustos Active Member

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    So wait... Are you telling us that mods don't record every punishment, or did I misunderstand? Excluding chat offenses, of course, because those are in logs.
     
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  13. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Correct, they don't. We do record any ban which isn't completely blatant (it's not an "official" rule, but it's common sense), but if it's a blatant hack like someone speed hacking or using obvious anti knockback, very few staff members would record.
     
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    @SoCool21,
    First of all, sorry if you feel irritated. That is not my intention for this thread. Secondly, this is under all circumstances in which all the possible chances are met. As does the other team have a UAV, what I mean in general is that their plain luck is so consistent AND that the other team does NOT have a UAV and that many others believe such is xraying. I understand the difficulty of catching an xrayer. Trust me, I've done it before, but what makes me upset is that no mod is responding to `/support or /report. And if moderating is not a "job," then why do you catch hackers? Why does a mod have a role to ban cheaters? There must be a reason why you are given such privileges to go out and ban cheaters. Right? This is what confuses me on what you said about moderating as being a “job”. And by the way, I know you banned a lot of people, yes, but what the real problem is that I think more mods should step up and use their permissions in a better way and actually respond to /report, or /support (is it broken?). Especially on war is what concerns me because a lot of "cheaters," have been cheating since they are taking advantage of war 2.0's crappy anti-cheat system.

    They would not need to record in such instances of a fly hacker. A person is flying then just take an SS and use it as evidence.

    I would, but my recent cheating infraction would not let me. Therefore, I have to wait.

    And Lastly, I'm not saying the mods are bad, but what I am trying to say in general is that the xraying in the war community is getting out of hand. Like really, out of hand.
     
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  15. DaddyPurest

    DaddyPurest Ex-Party Mod

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    That’s great you recognized that, most of the staff does as well and we are in the process of implementing an anti cheat. But for now, /report and recorded your self to make a difference.
     
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    Okay, thanks. But what kind of triggers me is the time it takes for a mod to respond to a /report or support message
     
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  17. Corcustos

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    What happens when they appeal and ask for proof? Do you guys just disregard what they say and use the excuse that your word is good enough? Dear god have mercy on our souls... Talk about a power struggle.
     
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  18. Usp45

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    how is that not a requirement...
     
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  19. Corcustos

    Corcustos Active Member

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    Honestly... Recording any and all punishments that aren't automatically recorded by the console should be mandatory to avoid any miscommunication. Even if they DID do something wrong, if they appeal for it, the fact that the counter-argument would be pretty much be "this moderator saw it happen, so sorry we can't unban you" is absolute bull. Anyway, I should probably not talk too much about it before I get punished for going off-topic.
     
  20. revXnge

    revXnge Well-Known Member

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    i dont like war rn them noobs with xray keep voting dhahran hijacked or jungle cause they so easy to xray. Theres a funny pattern going on here, these guys will get games like 30-8 on the maps listed above and 10-14 on open maps and thats something to take into consideration. @DaddyPurest good point saying we should help by trying to go for mod to try to catch these cheaters, I care about this community immensely but I am not able to go for mod as I'd be too imature and toxic.
     
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