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Minimap(xray sky)

Discussion in 'Raid' started by Tuumai, Dec 12, 2017.

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Should minimap be bannable?

  1. Yes +1

    26 vote(s)
    81.3%

  2. No -1

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    18.8%
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  1. MoistMayonnaise

    MoistMayonnaise Highly Established Member

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    I don't know how it is done exactly but you can disable it. The server can disable damage indicators and mini map but again I have no clue how they do this.
     
    #21 MoistMayonnaise, Dec 12, 2017
  2. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    It's way too difficult for us to catch this.

    Ghost clients aren't all too hard to detect if you know what you're doing: there's certain things to look out for that indicates if a player's head movement or hit is legit or caused by a hacked client. The same can be said about minimaps, but these signs are much more subtle.

    Not to mention, it would be very easy to cover it up if you're using a minimap. As you're walking around looking for skybases with minimap, look up every 10 seconds or so. Then, when you see a base with minimap, look up again. No-one could distinguish the regular looking up from looking up when you've used a minimap to find a base (and be certain enough about it to ban someone for it).

    Some mods allow us to disable certain features for anyone using the mod on our server (or even straight up disable it entirely). However, not all mods have this functionality so this wouldn't be enough.
     
    #22 SoCool21, Dec 12, 2017
  3. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Certain client-side mods have a server-side disable function that allows said mods to be disabled (e.g. HealthDisplayer on LabyMod users).
    However, skidded clients (such as LabyMos) obviously don't have this function and therefore require a human or a heuristic anticheat to check the player.
    EDIT: Damn you Tom :v
     
    #23 xGhale, Dec 12, 2017
  4. ActuallyMe

    ActuallyMe Banned

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    -1 minimaps should be banned.
     
    #24 ActuallyMe, Dec 12, 2017
  5. hockeyxxxxxxkid

    hockeyxxxxxxkid Active Member

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    Shouldn't be building anything valuable in the sky either way. Don't see why this matters.
     
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    #25 hockeyxxxxxxkid, Dec 12, 2017
  6. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    Umm, now I am confused. You gave -1 but you still want minimaps to be bannable?
     
    #26 Tuumai, Dec 12, 2017
  7. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    Ikr
    Only noobs build sky villager farms
     
    #27 Ry23an, Dec 12, 2017
  8. AnonymousGalaxy

    AnonymousGalaxy Raid Manager | Manager of Managing | Legacy

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    :frowning:

    I do think mini-maps should be disallowed, but then again building a skybase isn't the safest thing to do either way.
     
    #28 AnonymousGalaxy, Dec 12, 2017
  9. hockeyxxxxxxkid

    hockeyxxxxxxkid Active Member

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    Key word "valuable." Like your 6 trackers that I raided afterwards. xd

    I think that it should stay allowed so that there's no illusion that sky bases are safe. If it were banned, people would complain to mods when their sky banks are raided even though mods probably can't do anything about it.
     
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    #29 hockeyxxxxxxkid, Dec 12, 2017
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  10. TwisterPvP

    TwisterPvP Raid Mod / Squirtle

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    Just because it would be too hard to moderate, that is not a reason to not ban it. Damage indicators are bannable but are impossible to detect.

    Just because it would be too hard to moderate, that is not a reason to not ban it. Damage indicators are bannable but are impossible to detect.
     
    #30 TwisterPvP, Dec 13, 2017
  11. PingWoo

    PingWoo Well-Known Member

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    Look down, BANNED
    Look up, BANNED

    I smell false bans already <.<
     
    #31 PingWoo, Dec 13, 2017
  12. CalledRainer

    CalledRainer Well-Known Member

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    Having constantly the same Cps BANNED
    :grinning:
     
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    #32 CalledRainer, Dec 13, 2017
  13. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    Please stay on topic... We are talking about minimap.
     
    #33 Tuumai, Dec 13, 2017
  14. CalledRainer

    CalledRainer Well-Known Member

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    Yes Sir!
    Should be banable but it is useless to make it banable.
     
    #34 CalledRainer, Dec 13, 2017
  15. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    *bannable
    But yes, gotta agree. @SnowCool21 summed it up well - people will start concealing actual cheats by pretending to look up (or, in the case of caves and chests, down (and probably claim they use F3+A)) and "randomly" finding rich bases or Skybanks (since they're small and reasonably cheap to build, which is why people use 'em).
     
    #35 xGhale, Dec 13, 2017
  16. hockeyxxxxxxkid

    hockeyxxxxxxkid Active Member

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    "I think that it should stay allowed so that there's no illusion that sky bases are safe."

    People need to build their warps underground so that cheaters can actually be banned.
     
    #36 hockeyxxxxxxkid, Dec 13, 2017
  17. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    What's the point in having something bannable if we're unable to detect it?
     
    #37 SoCool21, Dec 13, 2017
  18. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    so that it's in the rules
     
    #38 Ry23an, Dec 13, 2017
  19. TwisterPvP

    TwisterPvP Raid Mod / Squirtle

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    Why is damage indicators bannable? Because it gives users an advantage. If it's in the rules then people with a moral compass will stray away from using it.
     
    #39 TwisterPvP, Dec 13, 2017
  20. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    Chests de-render at 60 blocks - Therefore skybases made of chests (which are most common due to the de-render reason) are not visible with a vanilla client, however with a minimap, they are visible. So even if you 'look up' - If there is a chest skybase above you (more than 60 blocks above) then you won't see it, nor could claim to see it without a minimap.
     
    #40 Eil, Dec 13, 2017
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