the issue in brawl v2

Hi Blamo. I'm a college student and part time employee. Like you I have lots of coursework and things to do outside of Minecraft/other video games. So I understand the grind. You got irl things to do, of course you're going to do those things before a volunteer position that offers no benefits other than a tag and the ability to false ban hackers. I understand I really do.

However this is not the first time you've said schoolwork et. al is keeping you from being active. And it is not the first time (or the last) that your inactivity has been brought up.



From your profile page:




That was in mid December. It is now February 2nd. Why are you telling people you will be back "by the end of this month" and then not only not come back but post a sarcastic reply on this thread when you have repeatedly said "I'll be back!" and not come back?

In December you said "I've been really slowed down by finals and Winter Break". In February you're saying "just finished my finals and starting to work on my ACT". What will you be saying in March? "just finished my ACT and starting to research colleges"?

Your profile page is literally people b*tching about your inactivity. If you were serious about fixing it then this would not be the case.

I have no issue with people planning their life and taking care of the things they need to take care of. That is much more important than Minecraft and always will be. But please don't act like you are the only one who has a life every time someone calls you on being inactive. Tom (@SoCool21) who I probably know better than anyone on the server goes out of his way to be active and helpful, even though he has things going on just as you and everyone else does.

It isn't fair to anyone who actually gets online to have to meet their activity requirements when you're inactive for 1-2 months at a time over the last year, only for you to say "I'm sorry for having school! I'll be active as soon as I can!!!"

If your real life sh*t is more important to you then that's fine. At least be honest about it instead of pretending like you're magically going to be active when you haven't been for a long time

Just something to think about

 

tbh it isn't fair to assume that anyone can just come back whenever they can. unexpected **** happens to people and maybe they haven't come out in public and said it yet (respectably tbh because it's private information).

 

Not what I'm saying. There is a difference between leaving a couple times because of work/school or a hardship (also did not say that was any of my business) versus being AFK for the majority the last year. That is why I brought up Tom because he's been gone several times but has 1) always let people know he'll be gone for a bit and 2) actually comes back every time he leaves

What is the point in requiring applicants or especially new staff to be active when people who have had the rank for years barely play? Not to mention current staff who are active have to be more active to compensate for other staff focusing on other things either because of their own choice (i.e. GreenPeas) - or because they have to. And then some asshole makes a thread about how there are no mods on during time X because not everyone in PST/CST wants to stay up to 3 am for EU people (this is a problem in CTF) leading to more conflict

 

I'm speaking broadly here. There's many people on this list that may be inactive for reasons that they don't want anyone knowing and are very unsure of when they'll come back. It's unfair to assume that they just simply don't care about Brawl because they haven't personally told you what's up

Don't get me wrong, there may be people who for some odd reason just want to keep their mod status despite not actively playing but it's not fair to assume that every inactive mod doesn't care

 

Some issues with all this, there's indeed a decent amount of mods that could work on their ingame activity, very true and quite impossible to deny that in certain cases. Big however: there are many mods who do a lot of work behind the scenes and make up their ingame inactivity for activity concerning for example watching recordings of hackers, coding stuff, setting up new ideas, regarding ctf: keeping stuff cool. You can't generalize and blame all ingame inactive mods for their inactivity as they might in fact do a lot behind the scenes, or ,yes I'm going to do it anyways, have a life outside of their gamemode and this server. They signed up for a job here, most of them are imo doing a really good job, but you can't let those who are really putting in more working and those from which it's obvious they do it compare them with those who do more behind the scenes.

For example in CTF: Nohox is probably the least active ingame, but from what I have been told by many people is that he does a ****load behind the scenes, including minor coding, which means he's still putting a lot of work into his gamemode.

Also some updates on the staff team, Miskey is global SMod there is no actual Build-specific SMod, Rhoske was the last one but he resigned somewhere in 2017.
Jul13n has resigned as well.

Instead of joining the hating on staff I would actually like to thank them -inbefore you call me a suckup- for all the work they already have put in the server. They might not be performing at their maximum or like they used to before, but there's a reason why they all got staff. It's a typical human thing to forget all the good deeds people have done and remember the bad stuff, I'm just as guilty as any of you. But I would like to thank Staff for their previous, current and future work, you guys are getting a load of cusses and hate but you are appreciated and so is what you do for this server.

Sorry for my SJW'ing.

 

again, see above ^ for my opinion on that. another thing to point out is that just because we have an inactive mod for example, it's not like that spot is being held by that person. there isn't a problem w/ promoting other individuals to that position as ultimately our staff team grows regardless.

no they don't. you're only required to focus on your tasks and servers. you filling in for others who are inactive is simply a bonus that certainly is acknowledged by the higher ups.

this is a separate issue tbh and can be talked about elsewhere

 

inactive wild west jmod

Currently our only active staff member for wild west is @Fuiji. (and Chilled sort of)
The JMODs have been inactive on forums and in game for weeks on end, but this is nothing new.

 

I did not say that Blamo doesn't "care about Brawl" although it was probably implied. My post wasn't aimed at anyone other than him entirely because it is frustrating when someone says "I'll be back by the end of december/next year" and its February and they haven't been online in a month (and for most of the last year). Why even mention it?

True

What I was talking about with GreenPeas is that when he went inactive after 2 weeks (something like that) other staff in Party & WarZ had to take on more responsibility - although Canoodle/Roke would be a better example since not a lot of people can step into Canoodle's role

Yes I brought it up because of all the problems caused by inactivity. Inactivity isn't always caused by work/school or some IRL problem and, whatever the reason, that isn't fair to the people who are active.

I don't think inactive staff should be demoted because irl things are getting in the way (versus "I want to focus on things other than Brawl") but they should have their perms removed until they can reliably be online. Tom posted this on a previous thread,

 

imo, there isn't a difference between demoting them and repromoting them at a later date versus having them keeping the rank. This is mainly because the details behind their inactivity will (most likely) remain hidden from the community. If anything repromoting them at a later date could just give you something like a Greenpeas scenario where he goes MIA after a few weeks which ultimately stirs more issues

the real way you fix this issue is by not making our full staff list public (maybe only show adam, the devs, and the admins). it isn't necessary at all to have the full list public because you have people make huge with hunt threads like this trying to get people demoted when they don't understand/know both sides of the story

 

think for a minute. if he's lost interest in the game and no longer gets on, what incentive does he have to keep the mod rank on a game/server he no longer enjoys? there is none, especially with brawl's dwindling community. stop assuming **** and wait till you hear the full story before public threads like these are created.

 

answer my question though: if there is no incentive to have the rank (due to a lack of interest), then why havent they resigned yet?

i've already addressed this point before (scroll up somewhere).

 

if you had the option to hold a position of power in a certain country without ever visiting it, would you not take it? I mean sure there's no real point in keeping the rank if he doesn't care about the server, but I honestly believe he's just waiting to be demoted so he can keep his "staff rep" for as long as possible. this is what I gathered from talking with him anyway

 

country != minecraft server. and ya, i wouldn't want that position of power if i have no desire for it lmao. that's the point i'm trying to get across

 

just because you wouldn't take the position of power doesn't mean other people wouldn't, js. I for one would, why not?

like aboves comes on the server from time to time, he just doesn't do his job. if I could come back to having a position of power whenever I wanted without having any responsibilities, I would

 

What happens if a mod is inactive then they come back to Brawl, and they are demoted a week after they get back!??!!??!?!!??!??!??!!!?!!??!!??!!??!???!??!!

 

generally ya you'd probably be right. but in the context of this "position of power" the underlying difference is whether or not u can ban someone from a minecraft server or not. Personally for me, doesn't seem very plausible for someone to just keep the rank and virtually disappear.

im not gonna argue for specific staff members, i'm just trying to get the point across that having 2 sides of the story is super vital, especially in a situation like this one.

also a public thread like this is so stupid and pointless lol

 

Why is a public discussion senseless? It's a possible way to make staff members/ more community members aware of a specific situation. I mean I cannot judge if this topic is even a thing in the staff slack, but atleast I hope so...

I get your point about demoting staff members though. Nevertheless, as far as I know this thread is not only about demotions, but also about promotions. Many good people who could be promoted are mentioned above and I don't see issues in doing so.

Moreover also regarding the demotions: Both, promotions and demotions, are a signal to all staff members, which might motivate them to work harder. I don't really care if our staff is more active, because they are scared to be demoted or motivated to be promoted as long as they are. If the upper staff (aka Putty and Roke) would be strict about that, the staff team would automatically be better.

And don't get me wrong, but: There's no way someone has had personal/private issues for months. At some point people are just lazy and hope to get through with it. Too cowardly to resign. On the other hand good people don't be promoted just send the wrong signals to the community.
Oh and the biggest point is still a missing staff manager. I love Cuddled, but sorry, there is no way that you guys keep holding her at this point.