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Idea Elf Concern

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Roll0fSushi, Feb 14, 2018.

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  1. Roll0fSushi

    Roll0fSushi Well-Known Member

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    Greetings!

    I would like to purpose a little nerf for Elf. I've noticed how easy it has been to "fly" in with the air element as an Elf and simply "fly" out. I know its probably not as easy as i'm stating with a proper defense or if you're not as skilled/use to the kit. However, on technical terms I believe it's a bit too easy to simply run in and grab the flag and run out when you're out of reach of others due to the air element. So, I would like to purpose a time limit that a player has to stand by the flag and wait in order to grab it. Similar to Ninja but perhaps not as long? Or perhaps, instead of the time limit- disable the air element when in possession of the flag.

    Thanks for your time!!
     
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  2. Eilyra

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    I like the idea, I’d definitely say that with the flag you could possibly add in a “cooldown” similar to Ninja’s invisibility powder when in combat or Mage’s damage spell’s length. (I believe those are both 1 second)

    It could be too harsh of a nerf though, since Elf is considered one of the weaker classes by most players.
     
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  3. fatmog

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    Elf is already fragile on its own and it is easy to stop. One ninja sword hit does like 4.5 hearts so you'd have to react pretty quickly.

    I don't like the timer limit to grab the flag. It's not like ninja where you can instantly get out of the flagroom and off running.

    Disabling the wind element when you have the flag would kill the class imo since elf is easy to kill. Maybe its hard if you are the only one defending but other than that, it shouldn't be hard.

    Why are you asking for nerfs on a weak class
     
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  4. Spades_

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    -1, I haven't found elf hard to defend against (except occasionally @915 or @Cardona360 ) , Elf is really hard to master, and only a handful of people play it well enough to capture with it. A nerf to elf would be unnecessary, instead try to figure out a way to stop them. As mentioned above, elf is fragile, so a few well placed hits can stop an elf in its tracks. Elf doesn't need a nerf, there just happens to be a few very skilled players who play it.

    A few classes you could use to counter and elf using wind element are: Assassin, pyro, and heavy. Elf can't block while using wind element, so that works out perfectly. Elf also can't reflect pyro arrows while using wind element, so again that works. Finally, you can just knock them away while they use wind element with really any class, I just said heavy because you can apply tons of damage to elf with it.

    So, elf definitely doesn't any nerfs. Instead, try to find a way to counter elf with what you already have available, rather than asking for a change to the game.
     
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  5. Roll0fSushi

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    It was simply an idea I had when I was on before and it’s popped into my mind a couple of times. I understand it’s pretty weak and is difficult to handle sometimes- but when when im not the only one defending I have noticed even when there is a larger defense elf has still been able to quickly grab the flag and leave without harm. And there are certain cases where they're holding the flag and they've been able to get to places that only ninja or soldier can get too- however they're too fast to get too with soldier and ninja. ^-^ But it was simply an idea and I understand how fragile the class is and that its not easy to learn.
     
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    The only elf you should be struggling with is 915, maybe me LOOOOLL. If you can't kill the majority of other elves as a solo ninja in 1-2 tries (you have enderpearls) then simply, you aren't good. Elf is the weakest class in the game and you are saying it needs a nerf, I think you just need to get better.
     
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  7. EmperorTrump45

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    i think we should nerf all classes because some people are good at them
     
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    Isn’t necro weaker? Idk I haven’t earned it yet lmaooo

    Elf is weak though, and I agree that it’s a class that takes a lot to learn how to master, nerfing it’s abilities would just make it super unbalanced. anyways, isn’t there already a rework that’s fixing the wind element?
     
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    There's a whole revamp coming for elf which imo, isn't even needed. Reduce elf's damage intake and it could be really good.
     
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  10. Roll0fSushi

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    I understand elf is a weak class, and the armor isn't much but even soldier has a limit on how far you can scale walls and it takes fall damage unlike when it was a class in mcpvp or however long ago- it was able to scale as far as you want and never take fall damage. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i mean it was just a suggestion and I am able to recov and kill elf (depending on maps its troublesome due to elf just being out of reach) but I understand its a weak class and getting it nerf would tip the equilibrium.
     
  11. Daveeeeeeeee

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    The wind element already has a huge limit, a ninja only needs to land 8-12 hits to kill it. Just because you find it hard to kill an elf sometimes doesn't mean it needs a nerf.
     
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  12. Eilyra

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    Elf uses 2 arrows of their 16 per “gust” for wind element. They have a limit. I honestly don’t believe it needs a nerf. I just feel as if the really good elves are causing the concerns, and there’s only around 4 or 5 (if even) out of all the people who own and play elf.

    -1 from me for this idea, apologies on my part.
     
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  13. SoCool21

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    Elf has a really low effective health pool (i.e the class's total amount of health combined with their armour). It needs some pretty insane mobility in order to make up for this, which is what the wind element is needed for. If you remove the wind element when you have the flag, elf would no longer have this necessary advantage. Also, I'm not a fan of disabling stuff when playing objectively (like how necro can't place mobs in the flag room), because it makes the mechanic feel like it's designed for random killing.

    The flag pickup time isn't necessary either in my opinion. Ninjas usually have plenty of time to deal a large amount of damage to elf to severely reduce it's health before it leaves the flagroom (on some maps like Blackout this is not the case, but I'd argue that's bad map design, as Blackout's flagroom is headshottable, it's pitifully easy to ghost cap on Blackout, soldier is very powerful on the map, etc).
     
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  14. Mrowr

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    Sorry, but air element is already nerfed, you get a limited amount of air element arrows, and you will get ass raped the moment you take the flag. Archers can shoot you, mages, and you will get attacked when you land.
     
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  15. Kayrex

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    I think that is what makes elf a playable capping class.

    And hey @Mlhawk im a god elf:frowning:(
     
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