Idea Engineer Rework

I like most of this, however:
-Infinite grenades with a 2 second cooldown?? I‘d just camp above the flagroom and nuke the place every 2 seconds/constantly bomb the enemy flag room. Couple this with the Tripwire (which is fine initself) and you have a class that can only really be controlled by ranged classes (although the Pillar Heal will stop arrows and the like so you could just peek out, throw a grenade, hide and chill for 2 seconds, rinse and repeat).
-I love the idea of a Pillar Heal, but what sort of area and what sort of healing are we talking here? Will it have a cooldown?

 

Very cool rework. I like how you removed the whole arrow turret system completely by replacing it with the grenade launcher. Can you clarify this for me: you can still heal the launcher/turret by right clicking it with your pickaxe, correct? Also, cooldown for the grenade may need to be increased because the tripwire + a grenade theoretically take 9 hearts of true damage, pretty powerful combo. Or you could decrease the amount of true damage it does for the tripwire. We would need to test that in-game if this rework goes forward to see if your original option is good or not.

Will you be able to restrict where you can place the tripwire like the grenade launcher? Like, you won't be able to place it in a certain radius of the flagroom.

Also, what regeneration level do you get from the pillar?

 

As long as this class actually requires skill and experience i am happy.

 

Although the damage output seems high at first, I actually think this class would be quite balanced, at least from a damage perspective. The damage is difficult to land and inconsistent with the slow-moving grenades, so having high burst makes up for it well.

I have a few thoughts:

• The class seems a bit tanky to me for the amount of damage it puts out, especially if it can stay at range and throw grenades at people. What classes would counter it? This class would probably be able to 1v1 a heavy once the knockback of the grenades is taken into account (heavy dies in 6 grenades, assuming they are accurate within melee range)
• I'm not sure where the class lands in terms of being a damage dealer or a support - I don't think the class could have high damage, high support capabilities, and decent tankiness. Perhaps if the steak amount were reduced it could be a long-range support/damage class which is vulnerable when enemies get close?
• As @xGhale pointed out the grenades seem really powerful in flagrooms, especially small ones. I think there would have to be a restriction inside the flagroom, otherwise every 2 seconds any attacker loses a steak and gets knocked away from the flagpost.

I like the unique ideas and I think this would add a new dimension to gameplay. Just needs a bit of fine-tuning which could be done during testing. +1

 

In my opinion, the armor is fine how it is and even though it may be tanky, you can easily kill the engineer with the counters mentioned by @obikenobi21. Also, since this engineer does not have a sword anymore, it is quite vulnerable to assassin, which basically makes up for the 'tanky' armor and damage.

Oh, I was just confused because you are using the dispenser for the grenade launcher, which is perfectly fine. I'm just too used to the turret system that engineer currently has I guess.

 

LUL 4 heart true damage AoE explosion every 2 seconds with 15 block knockback NOT BUSTED AT ALL

real talk: I love this rework. it's amazing. damage isn't nuts - aside from the f*cking broken grenades - and there's a lot of utility and 'outplay' potential here with the sponge and tripwire. Sounds very fun and interactive. I'd love to play it (although I don't play anymore so probs not XD)

Mechanics seem a little clunky tho - particularly the tripwire - so I'd like to see exactly how this would work in game (IMAGINE IF WE HAD A PUBLIC TEST SERVER FOR THIS)

Healing pillar could be problematic since you could just place a WALL in front of Blackout flagroom or whatever and suddenly there's yknow, a WALL, there. Also having a big, indestructible (I assume it can be killed by enemy Engineers but anyone else?) thing next to your flagroom or the enemy flag would cause several other problems:

- camping. Would probably piss off the All Important Team Scene & it's just annoying in general
- extremely OP depending on the regen and range of regen
- depending on restrictions would make Dwarf unkillable
- would regen affect mobs? Could be ridiculous with 'new' Necro (UNKILLABLE ZOMBIES)
- also camping but fr, you could wall off certain areas of the map with this and the tripwire. The structure is much larger than current engineer structure(s) as you've depicted it. Archer is a pretty good free class counter to Engineer rn - but this WALL kinda counters Archer not the other way around luuuuuul

Question about tripwire. How far apart could it be placed and still be effective?

Sponges also encourage camping - and are harder to remove than current portals. Could place a sponge and then your pillar & sh*t where you land. Legit all of these tools are only effective if used in the same place/time (would also be broke if you placed a sponge on top of the WALL - to launch into enemy flagroom or whatever, depends on the map). This'll probs still be banned in team matches

armor's fine tho.

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