Idea Why isn't archer nerfed yet?

It's not nerfed because it doesn't need nerfing. Archer already has weak armour; making it an easy target in sword combat.

 

class having too much power is not the issue with said class because...

being 'annoying' is not the same thing as being OP. for example, Necro is annoying (not for the other team, but yours because to play Necro is equivalent to griefing your team lul) but it's def not OP. and its not OP because it has no damage, minimal utility, and is dependent on a meme garbage mob AI

if Archer got turbonerfed, as in your analogy, no it wouldn't be OP anymore because the nerfs counter the broken, stupid, and unfair headshots (i.e. Archer would be stupid easy to kill for Ninjas, Assassins, Heavies, etc)

no it is OP because headshots are broken, stupid, and unfair. there's no feelings here. it's not like 'my OP senses are tingling' when I see an Archer or whatever

how is this relevant. Nerfing an OP class makes that class less OP. what is this triangular logic

have any fixes to headshots been tested on a test server or something along those lines? (idk if yall have the time/resources for that lul) and if so, do any of them work? don't know if you can talk about that - assuming any fixes have been tested - but I figured i'd ask

 

I think archer should remain the same, yes the class can be overpowering at times especially when they’re multiple archers on one team (in casual). Yet, if you were to take away the instakill, then the class would die on its own. 1v1s as archer would most likely be very frustrating considering being poisoned over and over again would make it difficult to have a “fair fight”. Another thing is, flag carriers will have a much easier time escaping /capping without the instakill of an arrow. There wouldn’t be any “good shots” if instakill is removed because they’ll just be poisoned...all I’m saying is if you nerf archer it will need a buff, and if you keep it the same people will always have an argument. There’s nothing that will please everyone, so just keep it the same.

 

Okay

This is about as accurate as 'capitalist governments being terrible doesn't mean capitalism is terrible'

Synonymous with broken, stupid, and unfair ^

And Dwarf is 'very easy to counter' by targeting them as ninja or assassin. Also mage. No one cares

So...?

The problem is Archer has an inherently broken, unfair, long ranged instakill not 'lul norms players aren't smart enough to consistently target them' or whatever. I do not understand the point of this analogy

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With its OP ranged abilities (instakill headshot + punch I), it's the slightest bit too tanky for close range sword combat ngl
I think its sword+armor is squishy enough esp for being able to rely a bit on punch I at short range, so I'd first test removing a steak as the least harmful yet effective change (1 less steak ≅ 1 less hit needed to kill it ≅ 1 less 'spammed' punch I bow shot before death ≅ 1 less sin @Ducksfan101 lol).

 

You’ve been snipe by Ducksfan101 [30.0000005423 blocks]

 

Hi all, I have played on mcctf for a long time, and recently I came back to it and was delighted to see that archer hasn't changed, and have had great fun on the maps which I'm happy have stuck aroun

Archer is definitely not overpowered, on smaller maps, I end up with a decimal k/d despite being pretty good (sorry to o4e, voldegio and NiHD134 who I bow spammed recently) but it is fair because I get melted by ninjas (which is where the nerfing should be) I can't do much about invisible teleporters who can kill me in 3 hits

 

To be fair, everything can be countered by “sending a half decent ninja to target them 24/7” but thats another topic entirely.

Remove Punch I so you can actually get to the f**king thing without needing to play Ninja or Mage
And that way, that little thing in their back pocket called a sword may be used for its actual purpose.

 

Elf

 

nerf elf

 

Without headshots from an archer stalemates would last an eternity (looking at you blackout >.> ) Ye it's annoying, but it serves a purpose

 

In order for it to work youd have to coordinate with a ninja on your team to wait invis for a hs, the point was based on the competitive side not the casual.

 

lol just the suggestion that the fact that some of the staff play archer every so often is the reason that archer has been nerfed discredits your entire post.

First, archer exists and is "OP" because soldier, medic, and heavy etc. exist. Those classes make it very very difficult for recovery to happen with any other class.

Second, archer is MEANT to be OP at range. Like that's the entire idea behind the class. The moment you take away the thing it's supposed to be good at, it becomes pretty useless, right? Take away soldiers ability to climb, it's useless. Take away medic's ability to heal, it's useless. The reason archer headshot is different from those other abilities however, is because it's not just an ability, it's a skill shot. You don't just click a wall, you dont just hit someone with your sword, you have to hit an arrow on someone from a range longer than 30 blocks. Easy to be decent at, difficult to master.

Does this mean I don't think archer could use a change? Not necessarily. But I don't think it needs it's ability to headshot taken away. The way archer is built, it needs to be outplayed. This can be done with positioning and different routes, dodging, and targeting.
Believe it or not, there are routes on every map that you can take that make it extremely difficult for an archer to hit you.

For your dodging, you can turn on hitboxes to see arrows better, or just move unpredictably. Because honestly, all of y'all *****in just move in straight lines. If you keep getting shot as soon as you run out of cover, here's a thought. Before you run past a wall, stop for half a second. Watch the arrow fly by. Then you can go. Seriously. If you just be smart and think a little bit, it's not that hard to dodge.

If all of that still doesn't work, just have someone target the archer. Yes, I know, some people are good at pvp and can deal with targeters and still do work. Buuuuuuut most aren't good at pvp. Ninja's are good for it, soldiers can do it pretty well, hell, even medic can do it pretty good with their passive healing.

I get it, though. It's frustrating. I've played this game a long time. I've played almost every class and role possible in the game (yes, archer being the most). But that also means I know that archer is still a necessary evil. I wouldn't mind a change, but it might not be the one you were expecting.

Personally, I like the idea that archer is only OP from a distance. Currently, it is OP from a distance, but it's CQC ability is still powerful enough to deal with targeters enough to still be effective (at least for the best archers). The way to go about this is to nerf archer's CQC even more to have a better chance of outplaying it.

Nerf the armor, take punch off the bow and put knockback on the sword. It takes a lot of survivability off of the archer while still allowing archer to have a little bit of space. To counteract this a little bit, you can have Power I-II on the bow, maybe give passive speed I (or not), and/or scale the damage up as range increases from 15 to 30/35 blocks, 30 or 35 blocks being instakill range.

SoCool's idea to nerf headshot to 8 hearts true damage sounds good on paper, but won't work. 8 hearts true damage is just 2 steak. If that is a soldier, that is 3 shots from range you need to land before he's dead. You might say that it doesn't seem that hard. But there's a reason that elf is only "good" at killing things in short to mid range.

Your idea. . . sorry it's just garbage.

Scapes idea is on the same path as mine, just a lot more simple. Cause @scapezar 's a basic *****

Seriously though. I get it. I have some of the best ninjas trying their hardest to rail me up the ass during official/PPM matches and I can still get 70+ kills. You just gotta learn how to outplay it. If your problem is with there being 30 archers during casual play, I'm sorry bud you just gotta deal with it. It's just as annoying to go up against 30 soldiers or 30 heavies or 30 ninjas, pyros, medics, whatever else. It's not as instant with those classes, but still pretty unwinnable. Learn to take different routes. Learn to dodge. Learn to outplay. And you'll be just fine.