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Auto Bans- False Bans

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by KeekerBoi, Mar 25, 2019.

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does the Auto banning system need some work?

Poll closed Mar 28, 2019.

  1. No. Works fine for me, we shouldn't mess with it

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  2. Maybe, I have seen acouple false bans and it might need some changing

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  3. Yes! I'm starting to see more and more false auto bans on Brawl.

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  1. KeekerBoi

    KeekerBoi Active Member

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    So recently my account got banned 3 times for "reach" and "cheating". the past couple of days I've seen far more false auto bans then usual, from players like Yamahoo, CoCaptainBlue, TheMel0n, ZombieShadow, and myself. Plenty more I cannot remember have also been false auto banned recently. My question is this, if asking for an unban due to an auto ban gives you a free unban, if you did or didn't hack, whats the point? the value of auto bans in my opinion don't stretch too far beyond basic fly hacking, and is a generally dumb system. The new implications to auto bans are extremely messed up, as I have been banned 3 times falsely and by the auto ban. Please fix this annoying bug in the auto bans.

    Sincerely, an agitated EinfacheSpur14
     
    #1 KeekerBoi, Mar 25, 2019
  2. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I still don't get how come Brawl's anticheat doesn't detect 4+ block reach or velocity but bans legit players left right and centre
     
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    #2 xGhale, Mar 26, 2019
  3. KeekerBoi

    KeekerBoi Active Member

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    Ikr. Its so broken tbh, I'm getting tired of the whole thing in general. Whatever they did needs to be fixed. Was banned 3 times in the same day false and auto. After the 3rd, I wasn't allowed to get another unban for 12h lolol.
     
    #3 KeekerBoi, Mar 26, 2019
  4. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    We haven't changed the autoban system recently.

    The only people who know this are regulars, and regulars are much less likely to use a hacked client that the anticheat can pick up on. It's very rare that new players appeal autobans.

    It's almost unheard of for someone to get autobanned 3 times in 1 day, especially since after I unbanned you, you came on and got yourself autobanned again in about a minute. We're not going to change an entire system because of 1 unconfirmed anomaly, that would make absolutely no sense.
     
    #4 SoCool21, Mar 27, 2019
  5. KeekerBoi

    KeekerBoi Active Member

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    @SoCool21 actually that isn't true. Recently in raid at least, last Saturday and beyond many people were randomly banned in relatively high quantities. Like 5 people in 1 day were false auto banned. Maybe it was a fluke or maybe it wasn't, but that cost me 3 hours of play time, that could have been at a way worse time. I could be wrong, I don't know nearly as much about the auto ban system as you do, but that was the weirdest thing I've ever seen on brawl (besides the time a hacker took over owner rank and broke half the server).
     
    #5 KeekerBoi, Mar 27, 2019
  6. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Tom, Brawl‘s anticheat is ridiculous. It bans for literally walking, not sprinting, *walking* in more than one direction at once, but doesn‘t automatically ban someone who is, oh I don’t know, flying, or running around with 4+ block reach and killaura, or antikb, and you don‘t make it any better by prohibiting the decent staff members you have from banning ghost client users
     
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    #6 xGhale, Mar 28, 2019
  7. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    It's not like that at all. Mostly autobans are caused by high cps, ping or you blockglitching on raid.
     
    #7 Carnotauros, Mar 28, 2019
  8. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    It bans for 10 cps but not for 50+ from someone using an autoclicker set to perfect intervals lol
     
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    #8 xGhale, Mar 28, 2019
  9. KeekerBoi

    KeekerBoi Active Member

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    Honestly I'm sticking with this. The auto ban system is flawed, isn't trash, but it seriously needs some work, this was probably from my high ping, but that seriously cannot happen... Considering my wifi has always been bad, and I've never been auto banned like that. Anyways, I'm not mad, this become an issue I wanted to recognize, far more then a personal one the moment It happened a forth time, ty for listening.
     
    #9 KeekerBoi, Mar 28, 2019
  10. AirstrikeXD

    AirstrikeXD Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion the autoban system does need some work, It shouldn’t be that hard tho a few tweaks buffing the amount of blocks you must combo someone to get auto banned, Also I don’t think there should be a autoban thing for high ping, I understand it could make it sketchy but what if someone has a big lag spike or has terrible internet such as @EinfacheSpur14 stated. I could help with this problem so don’t be afraid to get in contact with me. -@AirstrikeXD
     
    #10 AirstrikeXD, Mar 29, 2019
  11. redslime

    redslime Lead Developer

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    This is simply not true, stop making these false claims or provide evidence to back this up otherwise. I'm tired of it.

    Detections from players that have a high ping are ignored, same with the server lagging. Of course the autoban isn't perfect, but to ignore detections from people with a high ping is part of making it better.

    If you know how to intentionally trigger a false auto ban, please let us know and we'll patch it. It can always be improved and that's what we're doing if there's something that shouldn't happen and we know how to reproduce it. I welcome you to take part and help us with this.
     
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    #11 redslime, Mar 30, 2019
  12. CoCaptainBlue

    CoCaptainBlue Well-Known Member

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    It has been making more false bans recently than ever. Ill say thats 100% true.

    The matter needs to be investigated becuase soemthing is up.
     
    #12 CoCaptainBlue, Mar 30, 2019
  13. KeekerBoi

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    I don't know why i was auto banned 4 times. The last one was the dumbest. I was at my potion warp, simply making bottles into water bottles, and I was auto banned. Idk why I was but It has not happened sense. No idea..
     
    #13 KeekerBoi, Mar 30, 2019
  14. AirstrikeXD

    AirstrikeXD Well-Known Member

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    Will do Devslime.
     
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    #14 AirstrikeXD, Apr 3, 2019
  15. KeekerBoi

    KeekerBoi Active Member

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    Let me just say, that @Carnotauros Is the first person to actually attempt to detect this. He did not ignore my claim, and found a huge bug in the auto ban system. I have been false banned 6 times in 2 weeks now, 3 for filling potions. Your decision is yours and i respect that, but with this evidence, i find it ridiculous you won't idk, maybe try fixing the system.

    Sincerely, a some what agitated kekerboi
     
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    #15 KeekerBoi, Apr 7, 2019
  16. AirstrikeXD

    AirstrikeXD Well-Known Member

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    They can try, All though trying to fix a system such as that seems pretty complicated unlike most games where mods can easily make minor adjustments yet i'v never been a Minecraft Staff Member before, There for i wouldn't know exactly how it works.

    And just a note a lot of servers have autoban glitches as well.
     
    #16 AirstrikeXD, Apr 8, 2019
  17. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    It's also worth mentioning that mods can't change the autoban system whatsoever. Mods can find and report glitches, but they don't have any other privileges that allow them to do this better than regular players (other than being immune to autobans).
     
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    #17 SoCool21, Apr 8, 2019
  18. AirstrikeXD

    AirstrikeXD Well-Known Member

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    Oh must be diffrent for mc I wouldn’t know but thx for the info @SoCool21 appreciate it.

    And also by most I mean the game I was admin on :grinning:
     
    #18 AirstrikeXD, Apr 8, 2019
  19. redslime

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    This should be fixed now btw.
     
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    #19 redslime, Apr 8, 2019
  20. AirstrikeXD

    AirstrikeXD Well-Known Member

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    Nice
     
    #20 AirstrikeXD, Apr 8, 2019
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