Idea Neat Kill Stalemate Idea

Overall, I like this idea. I think you're times are a bit fast though. I would say after 1 minute and 30 seconds give the first buff, then after another minute give the second buff, and another minute give the final buff. Reason being is if the map size is a little larger, or if it's usually hard to get across the map, the minute 30 will be just enough time in any scenario to get across the map. So when that happens, then we buff recovery since it's truly in a stalemate game. The 1 minute instead of 30 seconds increments is because we want it to represent a recovery push. I would say to get across the map and attempt to recov would take close to 1 minute and not 30 seconds. So that intermediary buff will actual have some effect, instead of being skipped over.

That being said I think it would be cool to test this, I think it's a good alternative to what we presented a few months ago. I believe what we would see are the typical recovery classes like archer, pyro, assassin, and scout be more used on defense to prevent the buffed damage classes like soldier, heavy, ninja from getting to the flag carrier. I alsp think because of this medic could actually have a recovery role to heal the damage dealer classes.

 

Good idea, awarding the enemy instead of punishing the flag holder and definitely worth trying out. It is possible it turns out to be just as annoying as heart reduction for the flag carrier however, along the common line of "Ninja can two shot now".

 

Yeah but with speed 2 strength 2 why use ninja when you can have a heavy just as fast but can take a lot more damage and deal almost as much.

 

I'm just curious but what's wrong with stalemates?

 

They’re boring and repetitive without good coordination with soldiers (especially blackout), or pyro and archer.

Stalemates can last the whole game, so there’s really no need of having a stalemate that is that long.

 

Thank you both for explaining it clearly, now i understand the importance of dealing with the stalemate issues.

For your idea Dragoarg7, i think that perhaps the effects should be affected by either the amount of players in the game (if there's 50 players in the game then the strength might get a little op), or what class the flag carrier is (if the flag carrier is ninja, the strength might also get a little overpowered) or ideas similar to those so these effects don't unbalance the game.
Nonetheless, great stalemate-ender idea.

 

I really like this idea. Even if Strength and Speed power ups are found to be too overpowered, the general concept can expand into other possibilities like granting increasing levels of Regeneration over long "flag action delays" to players within the aura range of the enemy's flag carrier to make the recovery team member(s) harder to kill without them being unrealistically overbearing or being difficult to distinguish from hack users.

 

Keep in mind that the concept of holding flag = buffs for enemies should be easy enough to grasp for newcomers. Putting in player counts, class dependent buffs or multiple functionalities might quickly become too complex.

 

I agree with you that this may need to be adjusted. However, imagine 25 people on the opposite team trying to kill just the flag carrier while 25 people on your team are trying to defend. Chances are that recovery is going to be relatively easy.
Nohox does also have a point though, but i think that new players would be able to understand these concepts pretty well.

 

I mean stalemates rarely happen. I've only seen like twenty actual stalemates (not people holding the flag for decorative purposes or something like that) during my time in ctf. Most of these stalemates only lasted for like three minutes.
In ctf matches as well, if stalemates happen then it just means that one team focused on capturing too much and no-one went defensive. Even these stalemates ended from a insta-kill class like assassin or a class like pyro.
However, usually stalemates which last for ten minutes happen when two teams are very balanced. This means that adding a strength and speed bonus to the recovery team won't help much.

Well if this does get implemented, we can just see how this goes (it probably will get implemented perhaps in a few months time). Though as i said before, stalemates very rarely happen (unless both teams are not skilled of course).