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A generic question about brawl moderators in conjunction with CTF

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by minecraftnoob999, Apr 23, 2017.

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  1. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    I just woke up, so I'm sure the title doesn't make any ****ing sense. Deal with it.

    Here's my salt (issue): Brawl has many different server types with a bunch of moderators, all various type and ranks. It's clear by going through the forums how present each Mod is on which sub-community within brawl.

    So my question (salt) is why are moderators (I'm not really talking about SMods per say) from say, party allowed to moderate on CTF or WARZ?

    Scenario: Mod from another community who hardly every plays on a different community comes on and is unfamiliar with how that community operates or interacts, but noticed that most if not all on the said community are generally chat salty and decides to punish said individuals for something that wouldn't even affect or bother that communities Moderator.

    So, yeah if that made any sense, discuss.
     
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  2. Lewka

    Lewka Well-Known Member

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    Being able to moderate globally is a permission set so in the event that there are rule breakers on servers other than their main ones. For example, it makes sense that a mod from party can quickly log on to ctf to moderate a cheater, record them and ban them right after, or perhaps a mute for a toxic player or a spammer, because it's a basic task related to any gamemode that you apply for, whether it be party, kitpvp or ctf

    Anyways id rather have any mod available to look at any cheating players rather than just no server mods online at the time
     
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  3. pandanielxd

    pandanielxd its panda daniel

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    salt not bothering ctfs moderators is against their protocol I think, you should be punishing people who are doing things against the rules. mods from other gamemodes take it a little less lighthearted (or however you say that) than ctf mods I guess, but they are only following their protocol
     
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  4. Pizze

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    takes sponge

    "he flew"
     
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  5. Spirals

    Spirals Savage!!calculatedd!

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    ^ THIS. Unfortunately, I'm about 99% certain nothing will be done about it. Literally hundreds of false bans on WarZ have been made from Mods that belong on other servers (Not going to name names) But it's god awful.

    I wouldn't get your hopes up about literally anything changing, it's especially sad because this person isn't even accurate in this clip, he misses maybe half his shots, and still gets banned for "Aimbot" by a mod that's not even from the WarZ community.
     
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  6. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    I've had a encounter with a situation like this, there was a cheater on WarZ that was banned but his teammate was never ridealonged so I wouldn't doubt it was a moderator from a different server that banned the player w/o knowing anything about the protocol which was quite retarded but as spirals said, I highly doubt anything will be done about this.
     
  7. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    This was actually discussed fairly recently in staff chat (I say recently, but really mean within like 2 months here. Bear with me) because there were so many false bans from warz and so many mutes from ctf. The general concensus the higher ups made was to strictly follow the protocol. The genreal consensus the jmods and mods made was to be more lighthearted on ctf (or just dont moderate on it at all if you're uncomfortable with their language) and let warz mods like snax handle warz (or get a warz mod to teach you the different hacks pertaining to warz specifically). It isn't like that's not what they're trying to do, but those were just the two general consensus for two groups of staff. As you can see, both conflict and there are people from higher up who follow the jmod and mods consensus, while there are jmods and mods who follow the higher up consensus. That, coupled with many new staff not even being around for that discussion and many not really caring either way causes a lot of issues. We can't just go back to mods only moderating the server they applied for, but we also cannot have these 2 opposing sides with no compromise.
     
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  8. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    It's mainly because some of these mods aren't really a part of the community so they don't understand the casual way we insult each other.
     
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  9. Speedcell

    Speedcell Ex-Raid Mod | Team Vanta

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    Insulting others is not allowed. Regardless the server you are playing on.
     
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  10. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    Except these are people I either know well or personally in real life, so it isn't an insult but is taken as one by an individual who doesn't know better even though half the server knows it's not an insult.

    You clearly don't play on CTF often.
     
  11. Prouddyyy

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    A moderator can't tell if you know the person or not (if you didn't clearly make it sarcastic or your friend clearly sees it as a friendly joke) so it just does it's job.

    But anyways, as far as I know if you just talk in msg and the other doesn't report you, you wont be punished. And maybe I missunderstood something but do you use skype/teamspeak/discord?
     
  12. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    What does either of those applications have to do with the thread?
     
  13. Salty_Ivan

    Salty_Ivan Well-Known Member

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    You know, I feel that people like me who attempt to get (being as kind as possible here) impolite and self-centered people to focus on the game and not spam the chat should not be punished as heavily. Okay, I "flame" a lot when trying to do this but I am never the one who started the fire on these (except when I'm tired of mages!!!). It's quite annoying when I, and sometimes others, can't get the person to shush and instead get muted while they usually escape unscathed.

    I get it. Don't insult others. But I find people constantly (and I mean CONSTANTLY) typing up unpleasant comments about the state of the game, someone's attitude or gameplay or just something in general extremely annoying. If these people were muted or warned for, let's say causing commotion, or forced to stop in one way or another, I'd stop too until they begin again.

    An example of causing commotion (not using names but you know who you are):
    *I kill the annoying person*
    Annoying person (in /a): Chill Salty_Ivan
    *Another person kills annoying person*
    Annoying person: Chill [other person]
    *Third person kills annoying person*
    Annoying person: Chill [third person]
    Completely unnecessary remarks which, if it sparks a heated argument, should land the annoying person a mute or warning.

    I know this doesn't happen on most of the other servers, from what I've seen, but is quite frequent in CTF.

    Okay, you could tell me to just /ignore them. I don't like /ignoring people. What if they have something important to say in the future (like, if they ask me if I need help capping)? You could tell me to just leave them alone and not respond. But in that case, it still spams my chat, which is how I am notified of steals, recovs and captures.
     
  14. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    tbh I think most staff members have a pretty good understanding of what counts as "joking around" and what doesn't (crosses the line).
     
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    Prouddyyy Marketing

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    Wait so let me get this straight correct me if I am wrong.

    Your problem is; for example
    Pete is the mod,
    Pete knows the community quite well and knows two dudes are just insulting for the jokes.
    A different mod comes on doesn't know these people know eachother well and mutes both of them.

    And you think that shouldn't be allowed.

    So if that's indeed your problem, like people said above if there are people hacking on the server and there is no mod for that server nobody can ban them. That's when for example a mod from war comes in handy to ban him.

    If that's not your problem. Could you explain your problem so I can understand better (You don't need to if you don't want to)
     
  16. Speedcell

    Speedcell Ex-Raid Mod | Team Vanta

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    Yeah, let's go fill the chat with insults/toxicity and say we know each other irl.
     
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  17. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    As I clearly stated before it's obvious you aren't a part of the CTF community so you're opinion is not what is being solicited

    If that's the case, then why isn't the entirety of CTF chat muted? Actually, ****, why isn't the entire chat disabled?
     
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    Prouddyyy Marketing

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    You know that there are always those guys that don't rage or just don't talk in chat.
     
  19. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    Accurate. Except for usually one person gets muted. I should have probably clarified for the people who are using the multiple server access to catch hackers when a said server has none of their staff on. I am saying for Mod and below. I don't care about SMods because A. They are usually way more experienced. B. They aren't going to freak out when someone says **** twice in censored chat and whip out the mute mallet.

    And honestly, with all of the warnings/mutes I've gotten in the past, why does brawl even bother with /censor? If you're going to have a plugin that severely limits what language is passed through or openly allows ALL language to pass through why tf do warnings/mutes matter unless it's actual harassment. Brawl's rule says don't bypass the chat sensor, which I don't because I have /censor disabled.
     
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  20. RyGuy

    RyGuy developer man

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    ouch. pretty sure that was directed at me v:

    Well, hack wise, I've made some mistakes, as anyone and everyone have. Especially on servers such as WarZ, there will be a learning curve in learning hacks, and there iwll be some mistakes. However, we are still getting rid of the majority of hackers. There will be mistakes, and staff will improve on those mistakes. Overall, mistakes will happen, but getting rid of hackers is priority, and that's what we do
    With chat concerns, I do agree that some moderators do take things seriously, but they are just following protocol. Depending on the server, some moderators will be stricter, some will be lighter on punishments, but we are all following protocol.

    Theres a difference between just random profanity and taking it too far.
     
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