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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Knaber, May 26, 2017.

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  1. Knaber

    Knaber Well-Known Member

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    This pisses me off to no end, i think assassin is quite well balanced, but the fact that you cant stop an assassin from going on to kill somebody by setting them on fire or poisoning them is just ****ing awful...
    Whenever i poison an assassin as chemist, they still kill me, even tho they should die from it and if they manage to kill me first they should still die immediately afterwards... but no, for some god damn reason the poison and or fire just disappears when he uses his redstone or after he kills me... (same applies to pyro and lighting a sassy sassin on fire)

    So, my suggestion is, remove assassins debuff cancelation when using redstone.
     
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  2. Proterozoic

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    Firstly, no it's not. Secondly, assassin needs a total rework for 1.9 anyway so I wouldn't worry about the assassins current design. Maybe use the thread to suggest a way to totally rework assassin instead?
     
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  3. Knaber

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    This wasnt a rework thread, just a slight adjustment to make it slightly more killable.
     
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    It's because they would die within 1 second if they still had fire or poison and used assassinate. If you want to kill an assassin with a potion, just block and then throw a damage potion sometimes to see if they have used it or not, if you are sure they have, wait for it to run out and then kill them.
     
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  6. Sayan

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    or you could jut click on it

    then it'll die
     
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  7. Knaber

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    Thats the point of poisoning them or puttin em on fire, as a deterrant... more than just blocking, cuz u cant really block efficiently if you are allready fighting 2 guys and an assassin comes running or something along those lines...
     
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    Assassinate nullifies fire damage but not poison damage.
    Poison kills most assassins but not all. If you're fighting a 3v1 then it's a lost cause either way unless you run. If it's a 1v1 then you should have no problem.
     
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  9. Knaber

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    Well, two dudes i have under control then i poison an assassin comming in from the side but the poison is removed after he activates the redstone thing...
    I dont know if it is that poison is removed after the chemist dies or if it is that the redstone cancles it, eitehr way its damb...
     
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    Salty_Ivan Well-Known Member

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    As "damb" as you are because:
    1) Poison is not removed when Assassinate is activated.
    2) Poison is not removed when the Chemist dies.
     
  11. Knaber

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    Then why dont they die, i poisoned him like a second before he killed me, please explain this kind sir...
     
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    They left and right click really quickly while timing it correctly. Some assassins can do it but many can't.
    And make sure the poison actually hits and stays. It might have worn off by the time they assassinate you.
     
  13. Knaber

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    1 second.... no.
     
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    Pretty salty post
     
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    What the others have said (although put less eloquently) is true. This thread is not about assassin being too overpowered, it's that you're upset because an assassin is able to kill you. It can be frustrating that something can 1 shot you, and I sympathise. However, just because it has the ability to 1 shot doesn't make the class in need of a change. It needs a total rework for 1.9 as I've already said, mainly due to the blocking mechanics. This makes this post rather irrelevant to begin with because the point you've raised will not continue over to 1.9 anyway. With that said, in the here and now assassin is a double edged sword. It can be powerful in the hands of someone who knows how to use it, and terrible with the vulnerability mechanic to those who can't. I don't think it's necessary to change that given it works out to be fairly balanced, or not a problem in need of a lot of attention, for the reasons already specified.

    If you're playing a chemist, the class has a sword. I suggest you learn how to block with it, as it'll make stopping assassins from killing you much easier.
     
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    How little Minecraft knowledge do you have?
    If you don't land the hit perfectly they don't get the full effect of the potion.
    That means if it lasts like 3 blocks away they get less than 2 seconds of the effect, probably around 1.
     
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  17. Knaber

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    @Salty_Ivan
    Have done some testing and it appears that the assassin actually dies, however the killer does not get a death message or anything added to thier kill count.
    Also, I asked the assassins that killed me if they actually died afterwards and they said they didnt, so i was missinformed.
    Sorry xD

    "How little Minecraft knowledge do you have?
    If you don't land the hit perfectly they don't get the full effect of the potion.
    That means if it lasts like 3 blocks away they get less than 2 seconds of the effect, probably around 1."
    I am very much aware of this m8!

    @Lord_Roke You are free to lock the thread.
     
  18. Salty_Ivan

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    Thank you for being understanding. Sorry about the rudeness, was getting somewhat frustrated.
    The Chemist does not get a death message or credits because CTF's code does not register the poison potion as coming from the Chemist. If you previously punched them or hit them before they died to the poison, you'd get the credits but not a "kill".
    If they didn't die afterwards that means the poison wore out before they assassinated you.
     
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    If it's a half way decent assassin, in a 2v1 or 3v1 situation, you're basically screwed anyways. Ultimately a pointless thread.
     
  20. Knaber

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    indeed.
    By the way, what in the world made you click such a pointless thread?
     
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