A plea to buff the premium classes

I didn't know archer was a premium class o.0

 

It clearly says "remove archers" dot dot dot which is basically saying nerf archer s advantage over chemist.
Instead say something like "make chemist stronger against archer with____"

 

Ok. You are asking to nerf premium classes but you thought it would be good to add a free class into that list. It clearly states "Remove archer's advantage over chemist" that isn't asking to improve chemist in any way. It is saying to nerf archer. When you said it's a chemist buff I got confused because it's wording doesn't say anything to buff chemist. Maybe change your wording and then it might be a little more easier to understand instead of you wording it to nerf archer

 

If you run out of mana frequently, you're not a very good Chemist.
Exceptions being gangbanged in the flagroom or messing up with hotkeys.

If you're frequently dying to Archers shooting you from <30 blocks away you're not a very good Chemist. Run around a corner and splash a regen.

Yes let's also make Pyro light the whole flagroom on fire and be a ***** to kill with classes that have a very limited amount of health. Seeing as you play Pyro, Chemist, and Mage, I see why you would want this.

And I bet you'll be begging for a nerf if ninjas got Sharpness VI or the ability to 414 back.

I agree that premium classes need to be buffed but which ones that do are completely different from the ones you are suggesting.

 

I'd be fine with removing the extra damage archer does to chemist, not a big fan of everything else though.

 

Want to go ahead and give ninja full diamond armor with protection V too?
Ninja is fine the way it is.

 

Yes, let's make a class that I play be able to kill every other class by removing its weaknesses.

 

I've seen Ninjas completely wipe defenses.
I've seen Pyros successfully defend their flag completely on their own.
I've seen Chemists solo cap against 15+ defenses
Etc.

Your going off the assumption that because you are not good at a class, the class is bad, which is a very bad outlook on suggesting class buffs/nerfs and comes off as very biased.

 

Oh right nice, while we're at it, why not bring medic's (old) instaheal and waterfall back?

correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't 5 dmg pots be enough to kill a heavy within a matter of like two seconds without pretty much any effort?

 

Ninja doesn't suck and it can kill an archer or a medic. Have you thought about that you suck at ninja to say that?

 

There's a reason they made chemist's damage pot take 1/3. People were frustrated with how you could spam them. Since damage pots are true damage, they were too effective against heavies/soldier, especially when the chemist unloads its entire supply in two seconds. Your suggestion is almost the same. Making it take 1/8 means you could spam AT LEAST 8 damage spots in row (probably 9-14 because of regeneration of mana bar). If you think that 8 damage pot spamming is a good thing, you are probably worse than the engineers, dwarves, mages, and dwarves on freeday. If you ever find that you need to kill a heavy by spamming your damage pots, it should show something about your skill level.

Now for removing archer's extra damage on chemist, that's pretty reasonable. I have no idea why this was implemented other than that chemist may have been too good of a counter against archer. But now, there are elves, mages, and ninjas who probably do a better job at killing archer. If they do not have that extra damage, I do no see why chemist should have to suffer this weird/random debuff.

Spammable things in CTF are generally annoying. Flint and steel is already pretty spammable with 65 uses. Players who spam flint and steel are not using the class correctly. You'll see the good pyros use their bows more often and maybe use their flint and steel 1-2 times with precision. Infinite durability on flint and steel will only encourage people to spam and it will lead them away from becoming a good pyro. Anyway, you can also jump crit your enemies back as pyro. It deals 5 hearts of damage I think? Either way, if it's just 3.5 hearts, you can still 3-shot anybody even without the frenzy. Heavies can only deal 3.5 hearts when critting pyro, about the same when pyro is NOT critting.

Now for ninja having sharp VI, that seems unecessary. Ninja can already end medics/mages/chemist/elves in 2-3 shots if they jump crit. That only gives them 1-1.5 seconds to react and pot or steak. This is surpsingly easy because you can go invisible to position yourself/surprise, you have passive speed II to catch up if they run away, a pearl if they are somehow too fast, and flash bombs too top it all of, which slow, blind, and naseuate your victim. Now if you somehow cannot get a single kill on a distracted archer or busy medic, you are doing something terribly wrong. Now for 414ing, I'm not sure what that is. I'm guessing it's instant invis, which was so OP. There was a video somewhere on YouTube with November or matt576 at the time with like a 18 kill streak as ninja because he instantly went invis when he was about to die.

Overall, if you find that you need to spam damage spots to kill somebody, spam flint and steel infinitely to light someone on fire, and upgrade the 2-3 shot sword of ninja so you can actually guarantee 2-shot on almost every class, it should say something about your skill level.

 

I think gala is talking about me in the chemist quote .

 

you want to buff mage

 

yes, that is a buff

... and is replaced with melee knockback and an armor buff.

this is misleading. The damage is virtually the same if ninja or assassin are on fire (tick from fire damage + 3.5 hearts true damage) plus lightning spell does so much true damage a skilled mage can destroy ninjas very quickly. Also the, massively increased, damage to armored targets makes your rework average out to a net buff for Mage

on topic:

Heavy and soldier do need more effective counters (other than 'teamwork' and 'other heavies/soldiers') I agree. But nerfing the competing free classes or buffing already OP premium classes is not the way to go.

you make a good point about Pyro. It should have an easier time getting kills. Not so easy to where it can 1v5 like when it had an instakill - there is a video of this - but easy enough to where playing it doesn't make people want to quit. Perhaps extending the fire duration from 3 seconds to 8 (or something around that) would help. The fire duration used to be that long before it got nerfed post rework along with the infamous 'double click frenzy'

Agreed. Chemist potspam should not be encouraged, though

lol yes it is. Pyro frenzy/true damage only sucks against sprint critting heavies or other classes which can burst down Pyro before it can. Medic, even with sharp 1, has a much lower dps. The only reason why it can counter pyro is because of its fire resistance (and to a lesser extent, its tankiness). Taking that away guarantees that Medic dies a lot more which makes its tank stats & cc somewhat worthless (cannot tank or cc nearly as much if it gets burst down/one shot) thereby restricting its ability to support.

What needs to be nerfed with medic is how effectively it can support, i.e. item restoration and rapidheals making it impossible/near impossible to recover, not whether or not it can even live long enough to get a heal off or whatever.

Yeah and no one counters an Elf who has mastered the class. Not a reason why Elf shouldn't get buffed.

Flashbombs? Blindness? Strafing?

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