Why exactly can't we have wool?

PROS AND CONS OF BANNERS

PROS
•You can see the banner on a player's head as long as you can see the player (I think!)
•Looks more 'professional' (I personally don't support this but has been put out there)

CONS
•You can't block when looking at the flag, so assassins can easily kill you.
•Most of the CTF community is flaming about the change (Probably not the best argument but adds to the factors)
•Is very hard to pick up as defenders can simply knock you away
•Often appears behind you when you kill the flag carrier (Melee ofc, not archer) meaning you can be killed before you recov, and wool works for that a lot easier


Still, the whole point of this thread hasn't yet been reasonably answered...

My two cents

~Tom

 

Banner starts with a B
Bad starts with a B
Banner = Bad

Wool has 4 letters
Good has 4 letters
Wool = Good

 

Really? Professional? Who gives a **** about it being "PROFESSIONAL"

We just want to have FUN and this banner PREVENTS us. It's hardly bearable. I recover the flag, I don't cap it. And I'll say, when I kill the guy with the flag, it drops in some random place like 3 blocks away from me and that's annoying as hell. It gives the other team a chance to pick it up, rather than running over where the guy died to recover the flag. Instead, you have to turn around, look where it is, and it usually ends up 3 blocks behind you. IT'S TERRIBLE.

Bring back the WOOOOOLLLL!

 

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I also lmao'd when they said the scoreboard would look more professional.
I know the scoreboard might my a good way to display stats etc. but I still like how it was in the chat, it makes ctf more unique

 

https://www.brawl.com/threads/41388/

I will leave this here.

 

Not to be mean or anything but the new hud sucks and the new flags are ugly. What is the point of moving everything to the scoreboard anyway? It makes it a lot harder to see that chat and all of the information at the same time because they are on different sides of the screen. It's like trying to read a book with half of the pages on one side of the room and the other half on the other. No one would buy that book.

 

The banner also removes your helmet if you have one, therefore decreasing your armor points.
And the scoreboard is messed up. When you get 3 caps and other team gets none, it says on your screen
"Defeat, your team has lost." So in order to win we need to get the LEAST amount of caps

 

That's a glitch that sometimes appears.

 

Incorrect... The banner always removes your helmet while you hold the flag that is how it works. This removes some armor and can lead to you getting killed in far less hits.

Sorry. I thought you were talking about the first part of the quote.

Put a barrier in the top half of the banner! I made a post about this on the "about banners" thread. (Link is here!)

 

Just because it's a new feature, doesn't mean it's better. tbh, the best compromise would have been to have the banner entity floating on the flagpost, instead of the actual banner, and we could keep the banner on the head thing when carrying the flag. And when recovering, have the banner item drop, like it does now, but not have it turn into the banner itself. That way we could use the wool mechanics, but keep the banner look. Because as they are now, banners are pretty bad for gameplay. I don't cap often, but in recovery they have skrewed me over so many times.

Also, why all this trouble? It would have been way easier to keep the wool. In addition, the wool had us stand out from the crowd, a lot of other CTF servers use banners, but we were the only ones to use wool. Heck, they even had the banner on their head like we do now. Was an update that was solely there for cosmetic reasons and to "update" the gamemode to 1.8 really worth it?

 

Alright, I have read through just about every comment and it's time for me to throw my two cents out there.

Honestly, I still don't see why we even bothered to change the wool to banners. Even though it may look more "professional" to newer players, isn't it more important that people can actually capture and recover the flags? Also, since when were aesthetics more important than the actual gameplay? The wool was perfectly fine before. What's the purpose of changing something that was perfectly fine simply for looks, thus causing more problems than before?

I have had numerous instances already where picking up the flag and recovering the flag have been a pain in the neck. I do both capturing and recovering and honestly, it's such a pain. I have seen people run over the banner numerous times and fail to pick it up (I'm pretty sure Bengalloway1 in the Showcase match ran over the banner three times and never picked it up.) Also, when recovering, the flag goes out of reach and gets extremely difficult to recover. I have had moments where I got the kill, the flag dropped, and I was unable to recover it. This has happened to other people too, I have seen it.

Changing the flag timer is a terrible way to go about this. Ninjas being able to pick up the flag instantly is a huge problem and I surely don't want that back into this gamemode. That's just part of it though. Adjusting the flag timer shouldn't even be an option at this point, I don't know why some people are thinking that's a good idea.

I don't see the point in defending the banners when the reason is that "they look more professional." Last time I checked, gameplay is more important than aesthetics, not the other way around.

What's the point of changing something that was working fine, purely for aesthetics and not gameplay?

 

Well recovering easier is not necessarily a plus, and it glitches pretty often...
Though I do want wool instead of a banner.

 

Also, why were the devs adding new features to the game that many people don't like when they were supposed to be working on getting ctf back online? That should have been the first priority.

 

Wool almost never glitches and i think this should be added. +1

 

I am very bad at explaining stuff but Ill give it a try
if the flagcarrier drops the flag, there is no pickup delay so teammates can instantly pickup the dropped flag, even ninjas
so I'm talking about a dropped flag

is that the same as the wool? because I still have to stand inside the banner to grab/recover it :/

thnx for the reply though

 

Doesn't work

 

I ventured to the forums today with the determination to post a complaint about the way banners work out as flags just to find a discussion with 80 posts. That's a lot of feedback. I hope my post will even be noticed.

First off I want to mention that I am fine with the looks of banners. The name tag above the banner provides a help to new players.

But:

• You need to stand at the exact same position as the banner itself to pick it up. Wool as a dropped item had the pickup radius of a regular dropped item which was about 1.5 blocks. Or, since it was a radius, I should say 1.5 meters – 5 feet for you Americans.
  This affects the flag pickup mechanics into every direction, even above the banner. If your feet are just half a block above the one that the banner is standing on you won't be able to pick it up. A big problem for example on the map Blackout.
  It is almost impossible to pick up the flag in a crowded flagroom. People will play ping-pong with you.
• Unlike the old flagpost, the banner isn't solid. You will get knocked through it without picking it up for the reason stated above.
• Banners make recovery incredibly much more difficult. If you kill the flag carrier, the banner first drops as item. This item cannot be picked up but has to land on a block and turn into a placed banner before you can recover it. This can easily take more than a second, which means the people protecting the flag carrier can knock you away and pick up the flag or it would land behind you when you were chasing the carrier. The most annoying part of the problem is a flag carrier that drops the flag off a cliff upon dying.
• You cannot use any ability that requires right clicking while standing inside the banner. This is a huge buff to Assassin, and I don't think anyone with a brain would want that class to be buffed. Disabling every right click ability does not only affect blocking, but also Ninja's enderpearls, Chemist's potions and steaks.
• The banner replaces your helmet, thus lowering the overall amount of your amour (in case your class has a helmet).

Conclusions and Suggestions:
Keep banners as flags. Change the pickup area to that of a dropped item, place it on a fencepost, make banner items recoverable so you can instantly recover before the banner hits the ground and fix the right click bug (I'm pretty sure it is a bug since it works in Singleplayer).
I don't really know how to fix the helmet thing, but maybe by setting a certain resistance level matching the protection granted by the helmet.

//edit:
I noticed other people sniped me due to the interruptions which made this take half a day to be written.

 

You misunderstood me. I meant the part about getting three captures and the game reading it as a defeat is a glitch.

 

Honestly, I would like ctf a lot better if we were still on 1.7. There is no point in moving to 1.8 for features that a lot of people don't even like. Then again, I hate 1.8 with a passion, so there's that. I wonder if 1.8 lags and stutters so much on my gaming pc because of Microsoft's whole thing with nerfing the pc versions of games to make them look closer to consoles.

 

Did you mean nerf? A buff would be making assassin stronger.