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Why exactly can't we have wool?

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Sir_Inge, Jun 17, 2015.

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  1. FlagRecovered

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    I'm not sure of the exact reason for not having wool. Although, before CTF was open for beta the forum said they wanted to add some 1.8 features to the game so I'm guessing the banner was one of those features.
     
  2. TomD53

    TomD53 Well-Known Member

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    They could've at least held a poll on it before coding it...
     
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  3. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    Although I didn't want to reply to this thread anymore, I have to say that with this post you just made, you're pretty much just rubbing the fact that our favorite Minecraft server is down for good and we can't do anything to make it go back up. If we could go back to MCPVP and have some parts of CTF how it was before, we probably would. But is that in our power? Nope. So saying that we're on the "wrong MC network" is just plain rude towards the MCPVP community. Don't get me wrong, I'm very thankful that Brawl bought our gamemodes, and that things are getting done, but saying that we're on the wrong server network entirely when it's completely out of our control is just wrong. It's sort of hurtful, in fact, but I'm personally not going to let it bother me.
     
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  4. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    "when the McPvP community isn't listened to, bad stuff happens. Really bad stuff"
    HG game breaking updates
    BadBoyHalo
    CTF lack of updates
    GreatLordOz demotion
    Budokkan admission to staff
    BadBoyHalo #2
    Budokkans Twitter feed

    This eventually led to such a player drop that MCPVP was bought by Brawl.
    You don't want MCPVP style riots. Oh boy those got bad. Those lasted for months at a time.
     
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  5. TomD53

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    Emphasis on the S at the end of months.

    @BrawlPeople look what it did to McPvP, learn from it. Please.

    Anyway, @NomNuggetNom hasn't yet answered why wool had to be removed in the first place...I thought that was the entire point of this thread...
     
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  6. NomNuggetNom

    NomNuggetNom Professional Breaker

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    We are not going to be asking the community for changes on every little thing, especially if they're visual. That is a huge detriment to any kind of progress. Besides, most people in the community just hate change, but change is what keeps a server afloat.

    This is totally incorrect. We had been losing money for about six months. Actually, Budokkan was about the only thing that was going to give MCPVP a solid chance, but you guys flipped your ****, so our last resort was destroyed by the community. Nice going on that one.

    Why we switched to banners:
    • They look cooler than a floating wool block
    • They look like a flag - as in, they are intuitive
    • They are visible from extremely far distances, whereas the "wool fountain" is not
    • They are a new 1.8 feature
    All of these things are important to new players - obviously not to experienced players who care about the meta game. They do not care about the slight gameplay changes caused by banners. The purpose of this change was to make CTF more attractive to new players visually. Because we were re-launching CTF and would have a huge wave of new players, we thought it was important to make these changes. Personally I would have liked to have made more important changes to the gameplay, but the dear loving community said that wasn't allowed.
     
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  7. Mokolee

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    There's two types of people coming in from McPvp. Pretty self explanatory from you two who I quoted, you know which type you are. You're in our domain guys and if not, you're our neighbors. You can't demand an immediate change to wool when YOUR staff agreed to it as well.

    Inge, thanks for listing causes of Mcpvp riots because you just gave away the reasons that made your community so aggressive. Your months of rioting sounds like days to us.
     
  8. Sir_Inge

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    Number 1: yeah sure a swearing porn posting hacking admin was going to help us out.
    Number 2: Gameplay > aesthetics. You forget the armor drop removing s helmet creates. As far as seeing the person with the flag: you don't. You have a compas for a reason. You forget the major offensive nerf this creates. Unless you can make items useable inside banners and add fence posts below them, don't bother.
    3: As far as new players go, perhaps you get rid of frustrating instakills that make players want to leave instead of wasting your time on something not broken? @Tysonyoshi

    Our community is only aggressive when you put us down. To quote an American slogan:
    Don't tread on me
    Some of us react a little more harshly to this than others.
     
  9. NomNuggetNom

    NomNuggetNom Professional Breaker

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    1. Budokkan had already organized a YouTuber tournament with over 1 million collective subscribers amongst the YouTubers who had agreed to participate.

    2/3. Did you not read my post? We were "not allowed" to make gameplay changes, according to the community. I wanted to make gameplay changes. But I listened to the community and didn't. And now you're telling me I made the wrong decision? Do you want me to listen to the community or not?
     
  10. Mokolee

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    1: Brawl has Putty. I think Nom and Putty will get along with each other well.
    2. He'll obviously find a way around that. Better if you wait for a change than have none.
    3. He's not wasting his time. You are as well as mine.
     
  11. Lord_Roke

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    Please get back to the original topic of this thread and stop arguing about the whole relation between Community - Staff and McPvP - Brawl, otherwise this thread will be locked.
     
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  12. Sir_Inge

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    Sorry. I understand now. I just think maybe you should've left CTF alone until everyone got their feet again. Please make items useable inside banners and please find an alternative to replacing the helmet if possible. If not, return the fountain please. It's too much of a defensive nerf.
     
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    That's one of the first intelligent things I've seen an McPvPer post since the switch. Kudos to your rational reasoning.

    I really don't see what McPvPers are trying to accomplish by giving the *empty* threat of rioting. This really is your last hope as a server, because I can't see any other server network taking in such a venomous community. And most Brawlers couldn't care less if McPvP "rioted" or what. The most I can you guys doing is trying to hit off the servers, but I've heard yinscape has a 9000k booter so good luck with that.

    McPvPers have had a bad break with everything that has been happening, but none of them should be acting this venomous to the Brawl staff and community. Sheesh.

    But anyway, I really think the server should switch back to wool if that is what the community wants, even though banners were a cool idea.
     
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  14. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    We've had a tumultuous few months. If we can get a nice pyro nerf and our flags fixed you'll find most of us to be smart, productive, and nice. And cab we stay on the wool topic please?
     
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  15. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    xD Do you have a cold, Inge? Get better soon!
    and ya, it'd be cool if this could stay on the topic of wool/banners... lol.. I just felt the need to ask if you were sick =(
     
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  16. Usp45

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    I can conclude 2 things from those sentences.
    1. Coders need to start making changes based more on the community's feedback.
    2. You guys are overreacting if you're that venomous over a kit nerf and flag bugs.

    Minecraft kits and flags aren't the only thing in the world, guys.
     
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  17. MineBrick12

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    ironic much
     
  18. Adalbern_Akakios

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    On topic... please. The last thing we need is a thread lock making everybody unhappy.
     
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  19. TomD53

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    "•They look cooler than a floating wool block
    •They look like a flag - as in, they are intuitive
    •They are visible from extremely far distances, whereas the "wool fountain" is not
    •They are a new 1.8 feature"


    • Ok, yea, say they look cooler, I can see where you're coming from there, but the hitbox, mechanics and the fact you can't see through/past them is a big problem

    • Now, the one thing i have in favour of the banners is that you can see them from a long way away, like you said, and i a big help in gameplay, yea, that's a kinda decent reason to keep banners.

    • Simply saying 'they are a new 1.8 feature' is a bit...cheap in a way. Many other Capture The Flag servers I played on during the transfer from McPvP to brawl used banners, and using wool stands out from the crowd.




    Now @NomNuggetNom, I don't mean to be seeming against you and your decisions, as I highly respect the fact you have stayed with CTF and continued to code for it, I am just putting my thoughts into the mix, and I thank you so much for everything you have done to help out my favourite gamemode.

    ~Tom

    Sry for spelling errors and typos in that, as i am on my phone and editing posts seems to be glitchy.
     
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    Welcome to the CTF Community
     
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