Idea Elf petition for 1 arrow wind element

I don't remember nom adding an elf nerf in his update. A nerf is the last thing this class needs. Either whether it's a bug or nerf, it shouldn't be implemented.

 

should be polled or something

 

Atm it just looks like they are just nerfing everything without context. If you think nerfing one class will make another class too strong, so you nerf that one aswell, then you don't know how to balance.

 

@NomNuggetNom

 

Just nerf the class that needs a buff the most. Nice.

 

The mods have been asking me to make it take two arrows for a while now, I just never got around to it. When I saw the thread about it the other day, I figured it'd be a good time to do it.

 

So, does this mean that the wind element will take 2 arrows from now on? Or are u possibly going to revert it back to 1

 

As the only no vote in the poll I agree with the staff's decision to nerf Elf's wind element and I do not think it should be re-buffed. Seeing as Soldier's wall climb was nerfed it's only reasonable to also nerf Elf's mobility. However, I think that singularly nerfing Elf and especially right now is a poor decision since it has made Elf much weaker and more difficult to use. It was also a premature and short sighted nerf since Elf was never a very strong class in the first place and certainly was not dominating before or after Soldier received its mobility nerf.

However I think what we should be talking about is not restoring Elf's wind element ability to 1 arrow, but instead focusing on buffing other areas of the class (such as its armor and the water element) to make up for this nerf in the next update.

EDIT @Lujiu I looked at the counter nerf thread and I think it's a really good idea and should absolutely be added into the next update

 

Copypasting from another thread:

I agree that elf needs to be tweaked further. The main reason for this change is that the wind spell is/was being used in a different way than originally intended. It was supposed to be a tool to help mobility, jumping from tree to tree and structure to structure more easily. However it was being used to steal the flag and basically fly across half of the map, out of reach of any enemies. Even soldiers weren't able to reach such elves. Plus, elves are agile in lore (which the class was based on), but are not able to fly directly.

We will keep this for now and see how it turns out in gameplay, usually classes that are underpowered in one aspect get stronger because people find ways to play it more effectively after some time. ​

Elf could use different ways of buffing, elf wasn't originally supposed to be a flying class though.

 

I agree with this, it was not easy before the nerf and after the nerf it was just impossible to use effectively

 

I already did ^^
https://www.brawl.com/threads/52461/#post-667989

 

IMO, nerfing Wind Element was fair, but nerfing Elf wasn't. Wind Element was a very unsatisfying mechanic, both for the user and the enemy. It allowed Elf to make getaways to slightly higher roofs, and that was basically it. It was frustrating trying to kill a Wind Element Elf, and as an Elf I felt like my only option was to just Wind Element away from all my enemies and then attempt to hit them with Pure Element with only 3 arrows left.

My proposal is this: Keep the Wind Element how it is, but give the Elf 15-20 arrows. I like the number 16 because 2^4, but ultimately it should be based on what's balanced.

Also, buff the armor a little. There's three other changes I'd like to make to Elf, but I can guarantee they'll be a bit controversial so I'll mention them near the bottom of the post.

So why do I want these changes? Let's say the Elf has 20 arrows with the current Wind Element. Technically, Elf can still use Wind Element 10 times, like before, but now it takes twice as long for enough arrows to regenerate to be able to use the Wind Element again. At the same time, Elf gets more arrows to use with Pure, Earth, and Water Element. Some people think the Earth Element is really annoying so maybe make it cost 2 arrows as well, but personally I don't mind it.

Basically, Elf's Wind Element is less spammable, and the Elf doesn't have to worry about running out if arrows for other abilities. With a buff on the Armor (maybe protection 2 instead of 1), the Elf will have a weaker Wind Element but won't need to use it as much either.

So time for the three other controversial changes.

1. Elf moves at walking speed while drawing a bow. This is so the Elf can stay mobile and not get jumped on the moment they try shooting someone. This might be problematic though: Mage moves at walking speed while shooting projectiles, and they're very annoying to deal with. I don't think it's as bad for Elf, since the projectiles are less spammy, but it's something to think about.

2. Arrows shot by the Elf (besides Water Element) pass through teammates. For Archer, Mage, and Pyro, this would be overpowered for various reasons, but it should be fine on Elf. Elf is a class that can't spam projectiles, has to aim each shot, land consecutive shots in a row, and on top of that has to maintain distance from enemies. Having arrows collide with teammates is very annoying as Elf. Archer stands back, so arrows colliding isn't an issue. Pyro Arrows explode, so you don't need to aim extremely precisely. Mage Projectiles can be spammed, so having one Spell blocked isn't a huge deal. But with, Elf, if a teammate walks in front of you, it could completely ruin a combo.

3. The last change would be giving Water Element Regeneration 1 or 2 at full charge on top of the Resistance. This would give the Water Element more use, and allow the Elf to survive longer battles. However, classes like Medic, the Old Chemist, Engineer, and Mage all have an infinite or near infinite healing source, and we all know how fun it is trying to deal with them.

So overall, these are my thoughts on Elf. My suggestions obviously change the class very much, and could be gamebreaking if they were all added at once. I'd suggest that each change be implemented one at a time, seeing what fits, what doesn't, and what needs a rework.