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  1. SasMastah

    SasMastah Well-Known Member

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    It seems like this is a completely pointless thread other than you to have a chance to flame at other's responses with legitimate answers. If you want to keep whining about pay to win servers, go and dont play minecraft because it is literally how the game works.

    Its like saying, "Im going to play CoD but I HATE guns and shooting." Like... dont play it then? Honestly think this out a bit more before you make these types of immature threads.
     
  2. Syntheria

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    not really how the game workds, I can get a screenshot of how the game workds if you like. It's a lot of code and javascript, that's how the game works. Not kids spending their parents money to gain an advantage over others
     
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    Also, do tell, what law is this in violation off? And I swear if you say "A-a-a-ah its the pay-to-win law." Please just leave

    Well lets think for a second. What do you need for a server? Code, money, people. Where do you get the money? Hmm lets think about that one. Its like owning a business, you walk into a bakery and say "This is so dumb, you need money to buy bread? Wow im leaving."
     
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    The Eula, which is the End User Licence Agreement which is agreed to whenever someone makes a server. In that contract is a list of rules that must be followed, if not you are breaking the law.
     
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    Not the law, just that specific violation. Secondly, if there is some statement against "pay to win" I would like to see it.
     
  6. JoseMigueCarrera

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    Which are those rules?? Mind listing which of those are being not followed?
     
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  7. Syntheria

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    If there was a rule in the bakery that said Bread cannot be sold for money, then yes it would be against the laws. I'm not trying to justify Mojang's actions at all since I don't play a block game. But there are little kids stealing their parents credits cards so they can get an artificial item over a block game. And hell I know I'm not mature, but if you're mature and you sweat over this game, head over to the doctor's pal, I think it's called insanity.

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  8. JoseMigueCarrera

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    So you come here, to flame in a minecraft forum, where you don't even participate directly or indirectly? Just leave. Please, leave.

    @NodusMyDownloads still don't list which rules are being violated.
     
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  9. Syntheria

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    Yes it is breaking the law lol. Not going to try and criticize you anymore since I feel sorry for you. When you agree to that and you decide to break that rule you are breaking the law.
     
  10. GetShadowRealmed

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    So most of minecraft servers?
     
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  11. SasMastah

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    Thanks for literally spamming the whole page. If you could actually pick out the part about "pay to win" that would be nice. Also I am not a minecraft player myself but you seem to be creating an invalid and irrelevant argument. It is not only kids stealing credit cards (WOW shocker), I myself have a job and am able to pay for my own minecraft rank if I please so don't stereotype minecraft players as kids stealing from parents because almost any game you play needs a source of income and minecraft is a free game and its only income is from the individual servers that recieve their income from the players.

    You laugh at me but you are literally arguing about quite honestly the dumbest topic and seems completely fake.
     
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    LET ME CLEAR THIS UP, BRAWL MIGHT NEED X AMOUNT OF MONEY TO STAY ALIVE BUT THEY HAVE THE GET X AMOUNT OF MONEY IN A LEGAL WAY
     
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    What way do you suggest that is if not from the players. They cant look at every purchase and say "Oh that kid is under 11 he must be stealing his mom's credit card. Whelp." You should honestly have thought about this a little, you have to realize how stupid you sound arguing about the nature of a computer game.
     
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    Please lock this, this heading to no-where; plus nothing that the server may change is being argued.
     
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    Also you need to calm down and stop flaming, I am trying to have a conversation and you are taking this completely in an immature way. If you are unable to carry out a decent conversation you are definitely not old enough to comprehend half of what you argue.
     
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    But this is funny...
     
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    @NodusMyDownloads it's easy, just leave this. WHy you care in what other spend their money?
     
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    I want to resolve this peacefully where this incompetent child understands his error, not by intervention.
     
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    Can't discuss that, it's true xD
     
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