The Dwarf Hate Train

I never thought I'd agree with a Republican but this time I do. Great, absolutely great post ^^

 

I gotta agree that mods won't agree with me. Nom has taken into account one of my suggestions, though.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who hates this class. I sure want to ruin the fun for others when the ones who play dwarf actually ruin the fun for others.

I'm so arrogant that people agree with me:

(Not saying that those Agrees are completely confident but it's something).

I'm probably going to make a dwarf rework/nerf or even both because you don't seem to give any ideas.

 

this whole thing is too long didn't read for me but
haha i feel like people really started getting pissed about dwarf when I was dwarf in one game killing rohai which was playing elf in one hit ko along with other well known players with one hit lmao.
Plus I'm probably one of the few players that plays dwarf for fun when there is no defense lol and one of the few that actually bought the class
Dwarf gets pretty damn OP after about lvl 25, it can onehit anyone with leather, and of course ninjas and assassins.

Still, dwarf has its ups and downs. It takes a bit to get to the fire aspect level and that still won't save you. It also took me a day or so to learn how to predict assassins before they're inside the flag room.


Anyway, yes dwarf needs a nerf/rework but I really don't think it needs to be seriously nerfed but it needs work here and there. What they need to do in my opinion is to make it difficult to reach the teens and twenties, or to change what level of sword and armor you get at those levels. It's possible it hasn't been complained about before because getting to the 20s takes about 15 min more or less from what I remember.
Also, dwarf should get the large knockback later in the levels because I've noticed once you're at level 8-9 its all over for the other team, its a pretty large knockback.

 

Im positive dwarf will be reworked, along with other classes eventually (hopefully soon), but I still believe
People will want their money back if dwarf was straight up removed. And we know how brawl is with giving money back! XD

 

The issue is I've played dwarf to get rid of the people who pearl, grab flag, and disappear before you can barely get a hit. You'll probably get 1 hit which is good enough when it's a dwarf. Heavy can do a good amount of damage but it doesn't do enough to kill the player after they teleport and suffer the damage they get from pearling. I've only successfully gotten a ninja to die after teleporting a few times as heavy and it was most likely because they already were low on health.
Ninja needs to be fixed to where players who have pearled/dont have the pearl in their inventory can't grab the flag although I don't know how they'll fix that, I'm no coding master.

You dont have to stare at flag the whole time, dude. As long as the flag in in your view you're fine. It isn't that hard to do when people are attacking flag because if theres 2-3 people attacking that player then you dont need to go help, its best to actually look at the flag and watch because thats about the time ninjas like to steal.
Plus the game isn't that bad if you're staring at a flag. I normally chat with people while I'm doing it so it's not horrible

 

Hey, what about players lose the ender pearl (both in air and in inventory) for 5 seconds after grabbing the flag. *shrugs* but now we are off topic.

 

Any nerf to ninja or its enderpearl where it cant ghost cap is fine by me

 

Now try dwarf recovery :^)

 

Threads like these grow old eventually. Someone brings up a class that clearly needs a rework, then it proceeds to drift into an argument over whether it should be removed or not.
Dwarf will be reworked. If a class really needs a rework, it'd be impressive if the entire ctf mod team didn't notice it. There are priorities over certain classes and such, also. It will have its time.

 

I agree, also, Ninjas ghost capping i would say is either gamebreakingly bad or just ruins the fun of the game due to barely any chance of recovery once the ninja gets it. It can literally just pearl to spawn if low on health and die, and come back.

 

You honestly think people play dwarf to ruin it for others and not because of objectives, bashing people across the room is awesome, or just simply because they paid for it?
And I called you arrogant for your "Necro" solution please actually read my comment. I'm not ignorant on the fact that there is a minority of people who want the class removed and to them I can only say what I said to you.

 

I think dwarf is fine where it's at. It has 3 major weaknesses.
Assassin
Mage
Time
Assassin is a big threat to dwarf. The only problem is that the dwarf can block. Most maps (Like Ship Battle and Dragon Valley) make it fair for both as you can't always see an assassin coming.

Mage is the biggest threat for dwarf there is. With easy range and unlimited damage, unless the dwarf has medics, this guy is dead. It can't do ANYTHING. Assassin mage team seems nice.

Time. It takes time for dwarf to get good. I usually saw myself at 4 hearts and no steak after being attacked by a heavy while trying to get to my flag. It really, really, is a slow class, and is really strong in the long run, but of course, it's only good on maps where the flagroom is cramped with one way in, like halo.

You can always freeze a dwarf, rigth??? What about cobwebs? Flashbombs? Snipes?!?!? Flagroom headshots are a thing, right?

 

Yep. I remember this game. Didn't like it. As common with games containing engineers and dwarves.

Heh. Those 3 major weaknesses are easily nullified. Yknow how?

1. Blocking. Really not that hard to see an assassin coming, as made clear in @sp00ky101 's video.
2. Teammates + hiding around stuff. Chances are, the dwarf won't be the only one on defense.
3. Not really a weakness since it doesn't actually take that much time for dwarf to become extremely OP. Even a low-leveled dwarf can still defend extremely well. KB every two levels, sharpness every level, fire aspect at level 5 or something, and by then it can't be affected by fire or potions. Knockback I and sharp 2 on a diamond sword is more than enough to keep a flag protected from a good amount of people.

 

I only like dwarf as a joke.. Don't get rid of it ;( Its funny when I get to the enemy base as a dwarf or grab the flag and try to cap. Other than that I think its OP and stupid. But in the same respect ctf would not be the same without it.

 

Actually, its every 4 rounds do you get knockback.

 

Some maps like Dragon Valley have openings for assassins to come in without giving a dwarf enough time for them to block. I mentioned 2 and 3 considering my experience. Usually I would get ambushed by mages and would die from people as I would try to go to my flag. Really mage is the major weakness, if they are open. Going with teammates as assassin to kill a dwarf isn't hard if there is a mage. Two heavys ambushing a level 5 dwarf isn't that fun, and I usually die in that situation. I don't play dwarf that much, but that was just from my experience.

 

You described Fashionista, mate.

 

Imo, nerfing dwarf isn't the way to go, maybe for archer and engineer yes, but I feel buffing assassin don't kill me pls would do fine, with 1.9 I see there is a problem. because sword blocking is changed to shields, no idea what would happen, but I do believe ctf was meant to be a team based game. even if it is annoying, one dwarf alone is very easy to kill, with a medic not so easy. But I hope to see ninja get buffed sometime in the near future for taking dwarves down and ghosting removed. Getting offtopic here though so I'll end it here. I didn't watch the video. LOL

 

+1

 

snowballing to sharpness 15 is crazy. I'm all for a way to rework the class so it's still effective, but the only way I can see to balance dwarf other than nerfing it in some way would be to buff the other classes to be relatively on the same level