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CTF Off-Topic [Or stop moving our threads]

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by pookeythekid, Mar 19, 2016.

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  1. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    The American revolution was by far not a real one either, let alone having nationalism or patriotism. It was the continental congress, being the most intellectual political theorists and activists, who decided the secession and it was by far not voted for. America created the richest ruling class in history and its strict election limitations after the constitution barred just about every minority there is, kept exactly this class in charge.
    Also during the revolution, the ones who fought in the actual battles (not therich white men of course) did so because of salary, in many cases.

    I'm stating the very critical side of the story here that I, too, learned differently in America, but essentially what the revolution (that gave itself this name and is by political standards NOT a revolution) was - an uprising of the rich white colonists wanting the money for themselves and fearing the abolishment of slavery.

    Sorry for off-topic :b you see how badly we want that section? xD
     
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  2. Palm_Top

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    Even when incorporating the needs for an off topic sections for CTFers the point still stands that they can very easily post non-ctf related things in the Off Topic section. Just because it doesn't reach the target audience doesn't mean it isn't the answer to the issue. The current off topic section can fix all of your issues presented, adding another off topic section would be redundant.

    It is elitist and it is selfish, you may not view it in the same light as many others but the way the original post was worded and many other claims outside of the forums show that we feel superior to Brawl players and shouldn't be subject to their system of doing things.

    A much better solution would be to remove the off topic section entirely for separate off topic sections like @TheZombieKat recommended, it's a far less selfish request and fixes the issues CTFers have.

    Or...you can get used to posting in off topic, but that's not really gonna happen. I get that the community is much more comfortable within themselves but the idea that we can request our own subforum because we dislike interacting with Brawl and would stick with who we know is a form of prejudice, whether we like it or not.
     
  3. RTKno1

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    uk... imo the simplest solution is that the mods leave the ctf forum section alone and just not move stuff.... if we post something here... WE MEAN IT TO BE FOR THIS SPECIFIC GROUP, EVEN IF ITS NOT ON THE CTF GAMEMODE. k thanks
     
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  4. KirbysDreamLand

    KirbysDreamLand Well-Known Member

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    CTF is a very different game from all of brawls other games. Brawl forcing CTF players to use a global off topic section is like EA forcing FIFA and titanfall players to do the same.
     
  5. BrandinoB

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    @Palm_Top I think what my buddies here are trying to say is, a lot of stuff that we post in the ctf section that is "off topic" or whatever is aimed at the ctf community. If it's moved to the general off topic section, chances are only 1% of the ctf community will see it. Because that's about how many CTFers go to the different sections of the forums.

    I mean what's the point in going to other forum sections that have topics that don't relate to us or the game we play? I certainly don't think "hm, let me go to the Mine-Z section to see what my CTF buddies have for me today." Given, it's not exactly the best example as Mine-Z doesn't have off-topic things either, but it also relates to the point that people usually don't wander from the thing that directly relates to them. It has nothing to do with "elitist" reasons or we are better than the other brawlers, and to assume so is a bit narrow-sighted in my opinion. We're dumbasses, not jackasses. Well actually my friend @iMuffles is both, but that's just a small portion ^-^

    Or you could do as @RTKno1 says, which is nothing. I mean, the actual forum of CTF is just labeled "Capture the Flag," not "Capture the Flag where everything must relate directly to Capture the Flag." Discussion. All of the ideas relating to the server go in the Server Idea section.
     
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  6. Palm_Top

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    I don't disagree with the majority when it comes to wanting the CTF subforum to be treated more like a hub for CTFers to socialize with rather than strictly CTF related things, but I also consider it a futile effort to try and change the rules. By this point adapting to the change is a much simpler course of action.

    It's been over half a year, I don't believe that the rules will change by this point, and the Off Topic forum can be easily taken over by CTFers. Looking at it is a desolate part of the forums that could be put to use by the many random thoughts CTFers contain in their explosive heads.
     
  7. pookeythekid

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    Actually, it does mean it isn't the answer to the issue, because this issue is entirely about target audience.

    Where did I say we're superior to Brawl players? I liked this post--
    --because it was funny, but that's the only indication I've made that MCPVPers are actually superior to Brawlers. Sure, I've made it quite clear that we're different, and that I would rather talk with same people than different people, but that's about it.

    Ayy, read the post before that m8, that was my idea first! :stuck_out_tongue:

    I don't deny that it's a form of prejudice. But then preferring chocolate ice cream over vanilla ice cream is also a form of prejudice. The term prejudice does not automatically mean minor-to-extreme hatred. (Not that that's what you mean, but I use that for demonstration purposes.)

     
  8. jml16

    jml16 hautest cow ul ever know(jml16) ;D

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    Totally down for this.

    Forum mods shud frig off

    In all seriousness though, I think that the ctf community likes to stay much more connected than other communities on the forums. When Mcpvp disbanded, someone made a forum similar to the old Mcpvp forums just to keep the community together. On skype, after the sad fall of Mcpvp(rip in perpperoni), there was a huge group chat of all the ctf players. The ctf community is huge and likes to socialize, not just about ctf I might add, and the forums is the best way to do it.

    I don't think it's so hard to ask for a mod just to chill out and not move a post to the off topic section.
     
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  9. Plautius

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    @Palm_Top um, it's only now that pookey requested this change. Although I too have heard some complaints about the thread moving, I have rarely seen a thread like this actually trying to engage into dialogue... So stop with your adjust and adapt stuff please or I'll remind you next time you'd like something fixed, for example a bugged recovery mechanic.
     
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  10. Palm_Top

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    Bugs are errors that must be addressed, this is not an error that disrupts the game at all.

    Yes, this is the first thread pertaining to the issue. Even so, the issue has been pressed before when threads were moved in an informal manner. As I've said before (And will probably continue to repeat), the rules will most likely not change as this is how brawl runs its system, and it's better to adapt.

    My personal belief isn't set in stone, though. Maybe the mods responsible for moving threads can give input on what they believe with deregulating the CTF section.

    (@Lord_Roke , I don't know any of the actual people responsible for it but input from a higher up will probably resolve the discussion.)
     
  11. RTKno1

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    also, im just gonna say, i posted a thread, and even told the mods "hey if u feel this is better for general, move it", guess wat, they didnt move it. it was aimed at ctfers, but it could very easily been for the entire brawl community too. heres the link for u to judge urselves: https://www.brawl.com/threads/54690/

    my point is, they dont actually have to move anything. we can also just stop making a big fuss and write in a small disclaimer somewhere "Please DONT MOVE THIS THREAD".
     
  12. iMuffles

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    ur diq is a small portion xDD
     
  13. Plautius

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    Gets moved anyway, has happened before
     
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  14. pandanielxd

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    happens all the time actually
     
  15. pookeythekid

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    Well, there's no point in not asking them to change a small thing with some hope that it will be changed. Nothing will be different if it doesn't happen, and only good things can come from it if it does happen. You can hardly label "separation of the Brawl community from the CTF community" as a bad thing; we've been separated from the start, we remained separated shortly after the Brawl move, and have been mostly separated since then; no structure or set of rules which doesn't ruin the game entirely will forcibly merge the two communities.

    As a side note: are there not sub-communities in Brawl's gamemodes, anyway? I'm actually asking here, I don't personally know. But it wouldn't surprise me if there were fairly large groups of people who frequented KitPVP, Creative, Party, etc. (heck, even Wild West is apparently attractive enough for some CTFers to try it out, I'm confident it'll have a few of its own regulars soon if it doesn't already). Though this originally started out as a CTF-specific topic (and I'll admit I still don't exactly care whether it applies to the other gamemodes), this idea could very well be added to the other gamemodes of Brawl.
     
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  16. BrandinoB

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    yes a small portion of ur daily meals :frowning:( should make it a larger portion tbh
     
  17. minecraftnoob999

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    GIVE ME FREEDOM OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!1!
     
  18. iMuffles

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    lol maybe if ur diq wasnt so small that would happen
     
  19. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I can see your point in this case. I understand that most of what is posted here, be it off topic or not, is aimed at the ctf community. I've always known ctf to be the most like a family and I respect that.

    However, I can also see the reason these posts keep being moved. Organization and order is key to maintaining an orderly forum page. If we allowed every ctfer to keep every thread they made in ctf, then the off topic stuff would like up and it would eventually become like mcpvp forums.

    New players coming here to check for ctf updates and to get to know ctf gameplay would be turned away by the randomness of the ctf section. It isn't anything personal against you guys and I can see the reason you would like an off topic section, but that would be like me saying, "well if we just give ctf an off topic section then that wouldn't be fair. Let's give ALL the gamemodes an off topic section." Then you'd think about it for a moment and realize, "shoot. Now that we have all these different off topic areas in the gamemodes, the actual off topic section isn't used anymore."

    Like I said, it's nothing personal. Im just thinking it through to completion. I hope this helped to clear it up.
     
  20. BrandinoB

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    Yea I mean it's not like there's a way to pin the important threads to the very top of the page so they stay there for the new players.

    Oh wait. . .
     
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