CTF is not Kohi

Yes!!! I'm crap at PVP and the direction that CTF is going has really begun to alienate me

 

Too lazy to write an actual reply atm but

Yes.

Kind of yes but especially yes for the bold part + engineer

lmao true, that is why I don't make threads about possible balances to classes or reworks anymore xDD Cuz as made clear by the april joke, Brawl just gives us the middle finger then goes off to who knows where.

 

Almost positive these 2 never happened xddd

 

Instead of nerfing every class, couldn't we just buff all the classes? It'll be the same result (balance) but on a scale that is much more entertaining. Of course instant kills will need to be addressed regardless.

 

That was what I was gona say.

 

This is a rather complex way to say "CTF is becoming a game of skill and I don't like that"

 

i cant kill as pyro without actually having to aim and move in more than a straight line now nOoooOOOOooO

 

Medic true, elf idk

 

5 shot

 

If you are unaware I used to main Assassin and I also frequented Pyro. I can argue confidently that Assassin and Pyro took nowhere near the amount of skill granted with how rewarding both classes are.

If you don't want to take my word even though I've mained Assassin for a majority of my CTF time, other assassin mains will argue the same point (such as @obikenobi21 )

You couldn't do much with heavy because heavy was hard countered by Pyro, now that heavy doesn't die to Pyro %95 percent of the time it's too powerful???? I can agree Heavy (Which I don't play as often as you think.) has become a stronger class but to consider heavy worse than prenerf Pyro and Assassin is almost laughable.

The biggest reason I know instakills are cheap and easy is because I've played them for the majority of my time playing CTF, so much so that it's gone past a belief by this point and into an objective fact.

 

@Plautius

implying that sitting by a flagpost, hitting an exploding arrow, and hitting someone else is skillful and requires strategy

implying that sitting in a spot and shooting arrows at people from afar is skillful and strategic

implying that right click, then left click, is skill

And buffed Heavy is OP as sht anyway. Anyone that actually plays Heavy without being buffed 24/7 knows that. Also, I fully support a small armor nerf to Heavy.

I played a few team matches recently against a Pyro defender, and I was crushing em. It's not that Pyro is UP or anything like that, it's that my opponent was literally incapable of hitting me more than twice. Heck even pre "rework," half the pyros I saw had trouble hitting me ONCE. That's not a class being balanced, that's the player being bad at the game.

It just so happened to be that players of that calibre were the ones calling Pyro balanced.

 

-Agree, wtf is up with dis lag

While yes it is harder to die, I don't see how the current pyro does that. It still kills super-fast, especially with frenzy. And wtf is wrong with the role of pvp becoming more important xdd That's an integral part of the PvP Server.

People did say pyro was too OP. And ninja didn't counter **** unless the pyro was kind of bad, or the ninja really good. Either way the pyro had an advantage.

Yes, spamming pots required skill. Also wtf, ninja countered chemist? Did you ever try to kill a decent chemist? And pyro countered everything but medic xddd. Even then chemist could just slow,poison, then run. And if we're talking about really far back chemist, the fire pots provided resistance to pyro insta-kill, so pyro didn't even counter chemist xdd

Who da faq says offense is too hard right now?

w8, I dun understand yur logic here. You say that they are OP "again," implying they were OP before. But if they were OP before, that means the pre-nerf environment didn't do crap to counter them either, implying it was unbalanced before as well.

I agree that medic is OP, but I don't agree that buffing everything is the way to counter it, instead just nerf fawkin medic.

 

You're at a disadvantage when outnumbered as any class. Instakill Pyro often needed more than 1 person to beat a lone Pyro on lots of maps. That in itself already shows that Pyro was at least somewhat busted.

Pyro was also pretty powerful on offense/midfield. And that's the only way I ever played Pyro myself. Flint and Steel is also very easy to use and spammable to make up for a slower bow.

Well yeah, of course Heavy's going to be easy when so many people nowadays can barley even PvP. That's on them and you, not Heavy.

 

Arguing that the previous status of CTF is better because it required more skill to work around OP classes ignores the fact that the people using the classes required little to no skill to pose such a threat. Pyro was not perfectly fine in its role, it was too powerful. The fact that a team has to outplay 1 person on defense is obvious signs that the class is too powerful. The fact that heavy can defeat a Pyro is good, granted I believe Pyro does need to be less squishy it's hardly akin to the absurd hard counters of the past.

 

Mage damage nerf
Elf fly nerf
Soldier wallclimb nerf
Few more

eZ answer to all of this is hallo's server