Team matches are pointless

I havent applied, because i dont see why people care about it. We play...on blue and red...which are teams? we are already teams....so its just weird.

 

This statement is really funny because you said that there is "no difference" between unofficial matches and official matches (even though they are clearly spelled differently) and then you proceed to list a difference between them.

Tbh, it seems like you're just treating your opinion as fact here.

Why would this be "nice to see"? Would it be "nice to see" because all the pro CTF'ers (is that a thing?) or all the other people in the little team social cliques could get together and win stuff to feel extra important about themselves because just winning a game isn't enough for you? Or is there an actual, practical reason for adding an additional dimension of competitiveness to a block game played by less than 0.001% of humanity?

I may not have really been an active member of a team for three years (and I'm sure many things have changed that I am absolutely clueless about) but the last I recall the whole point of adding teams was to have fun messing around with your friends on CTF - not about turning the game into some elite school's soccer league. Because that's what it was like for me on TRF back in 2012 and early 2013, it wasn't that serious or competitive but it was fun as heck. That's what I know, and that's what I like.

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i think another tourney is very good

 

Yes add the league something to actually play for

and regular turneys

This is a way to #makectfgreatagain

 

I mean there could always be like a league with a point system. The easiest and most simple example I could think of would be like a soccer league. (Win=3 points, tie=1points (during league regular season just play through the 3 maps and if its a tie after 3rd map on caps then both teams get a point in the league), and loss= no points, plus cap difference in each game. It's a good idea and could even create a good setup for maybe a playoff type thing? Where teams can be seeded based on where they finish after the regular season, and actually have something to play for. It's possible but would people be willing to go to all that effort for that?

 

Teams are first and foremost a way for people to play at a level above the regular servers. We get rules, someone to enforce the rules and get to play against just regulars. The current system allows for basic organization and freedom in how teams want to play their matches. I like the heavier rule tournaments so I wouldn't mind setting those up more often, but I think doing the exact same thing all the time for officials would be boring. I agree maps can be annoying, and I wouldn't mind trying to solve that, but I don't think a league is the way to go for many reasons.

One thing I've always liked about our system now is teams can put as much importance on winning as they want. I've played on both ends of the scale, even now, and I can have fun either way I go. I don't think a system should be put into place just to make winning "mean" more.

 

That is the biggest misuse of that hashtag I've ever seen.

That doesn't make any sense. I was one of the original members of the very first CTF team, The Red Flaggers, and it was literally created so that people could get together and have fun in games. The team bureaucracy (for the lack of another term) that followed had nothing to do with the original reason why TRF was even created.

The horror.

Then why have it in the first place?

To reiterate: what people would a league "be nice for"? Are "these people" all the pro CTF'ers (is that a thing?) or all the other people in the little team social cliques who want to get together and win stuff to feel extra important about themselves because just winning a game isn't quite enough?

I don't care that much about the team scene and have not for years - although I am a member of two squads - but if you want your win to "actually mean something" then go out and buy a nice big box of Snickers, twenty cans of Pepsi, and a pizza and go crazy.

Good day to you.

 

totally doing that next time my team wins

 

Thinking it over, if it were an addition/separate thing I have no problem with a league - so long as it isn't the center of the team system (as in, teams think they have to join/they aren't "official" if they don't join). However, if this were to play out, certain things are a must such as:

-Enough staff support.
I'm only speaking for myself here and previously, we haven't dished out too much support for leagues. So I would suggest a group of people (maybe staff included) writing out the whole structure and plan before trying to make this work, or it probably won't happen like all the other leagues. Better organization before hand makes it easier to get more staff on board. (Again, it wouldn't be fully official, as in, all the mods have to ref these matches - but mods that wanted to ref would be part of it.)

-Dedicated teams
If it were made clear that the league is only for teams that want that style of play, then teams don't all have to join. Since it would be an addition and not a replacement, it wouldn't make any team any less "official" if they didn't join - but would allow those who did join to know they can count on teams being organized and showing up on time.

-A regular and organized schedule
Again, teams would need to be able to show up on a regular basis and play these matches with the right threads, right players etc etc... It's demanding but, that's what I think it has to be like.

A league designed for teams that want that style of play, but wouldn't cause other teams to feel less "important," so to speak. Not sure if that's what you were looking for but, that's probably the only type I would give my support to.

 

Is this really needed? Team matches are meant to be for fun, to have fun with friends and play against the "better" ctfers out there. We already have enough saltiness going between teams as it is, tbh this will only make the game more competitive and people hate each other more. I totally agree with @Quarrelt in the sense that we can have more tourney style events but ranking teams and such isn't the way to go. Keep the team scene fun, not a competition. Thanks.

 

oi why u bein such a douche 2 my man tysin

Then you should know Tyson quite well, considering he was on TRF at the same time as you. He knows better than anyone why TRF was created, however, that is hardly relevant now. TRF did little more than incite others to make teams of their own, they were not an influence on the team system as a whole.

Well that's a silly question, but I can play that game too. Why do we have teams if people aren't forced to join them?

Here is where you completely misunderstand the purpose of what Tyson is suggesting. It's not about feeling important or bragging rights. It's about fun, which is supposed to be the point of CTF and games in general. Having a league would be fun. I dabble in the TagPro community, and I've seen first-hand how having a "competitive" league, even in a small community (although admittedly quite a bit bigger than ours) like ours, can be a lot of fun and keep players playing. To use an argument in a similar vein to the one you used earlier, I was a member of Dream Team at the same time you were on TRF. It was the most fun playing CTF I'll ever have, and we didn't exclusively **** around. We played "competitively" at times as well, and we had fun doing that too. What you and the other people who are against this idea need to understand is that playing for fun and playing "competitively" are not mutually exclusive; you can do both. How you play in the league would be up to its participants. Some will join the league for fun, others will join because they want to win. Still others will join for fun AND to see if they can win; nobody said you couldn't do that. At the end of the day, this is meant to be for fun, and regardless of your reasons for playing, that is the ultimate goal here. Tyson's reason for suggesting this is simply to give players more options for fun-having, there's no ulterior motive because "winning a game isnt enough" or whatever your ****ty theory is.

then y do u feel the need to come on here and aggressively spout ur opinion at ppl who r just trying to help mix-up this stale-ass game

good day 2 u too admiral_douche

 

I like this idea. Think of it:

Team 1 won 3 official matches in the month of April

Team 1 receives prize money [5 dollar coupon for all members who participated in any of the 3 matches?] and some sort of other special prize [dedicated map for them added to the rotation, or some sort of shrine placed onto a map?].

Now I didn't actually read this entire post, I'd rather not be stuck on this thread till I'm like 30 but would this really be any different from the CTF Tournament? I mean to be completely honest, I have no idea what the paragraphs upon paragraphs say on this thread in opposition/support for this idea, but the way the OP of this thread was phrased, it sounds honestly no different - just more of a regular occurrence, which is great in my personal opinion.

Anyways, write your paragraphs. But if you enjoyed the CTF Tournament [like I did, watching] then no offense but you aren't really allowed to complain about this.

I'll go back to the other forums now.

 

Speaking from experience, competition is always good for CTF Teams in general.
I'll use the CTF Tourney as an example, referencing my own team. The last 2 staff-hosted tournaments were run in a similar manner to Tyson's Proposal, and they worked great in my opinion. At least for DF, it was a lot of fun, whether we won or lost. In fact, it increased player activity (cough, Duskippy).
While I don't know about the "matches actually counting" thing, since I see all matches as pretty much counting, a tourney would be more official.
However, this would definetly need to be an addition to the regular teams already, not a central thing (as stated by Quar). I also wouldn't want to see too many of these, at the risk of them becoming stale.

 

1. I highly recommend at least reading all of the OP of any thread before responding to it, regardless of how long it is. I'm also indirectly saying this to anyone who reads this. I personally read every word of a thread before responding (excluding the infinite CTF Community Screenshots), it helps me not get yelled at for talking about the wrong stuff.

2. I'd say those who enjoyed the CTF Tourney would be allowed to complain, since they'd want even more fun to happen. But as Obi said above, too many would indeed make things stale again.

 

I haven't read most of the comments yet, but honestly a league system would be cool.

Although it would be hard to implement, this is my idea:

Have multiple divisions, with each division lasting for a certain amount of time (Example 2 months).


We should use a system of divisions. Divisions would hopefully be changing constantly. There would be a set number of divisions, lets say 4. Division 1-3 would have an equal team pool, while D4 would have a larger to allocate more teams.

Lets say there are 4 divisions, with 34 teams.
At the end of a season, the highest team will fight the lowest team of the division above them. So if team X was the lowest team in D1, they would fight Team B, the highest ranking team in D2. If Team X beats team B, they stay in D1, while if Team B beats X, Team B replaces Team X.

Now you may be asking how the promotional for D3 and 4 may work, due to the extra team pool? This would be based on the amount of teams involved in D4, and would be decided by on the committee. Using the example from earlier, we shall set up a quick pool.

D1(highest)-8 Teams
D2 -8 Teams
D3 -8 Teams
D4(Lowest)-10 Teams

Since there are more teams in D4, there will be a larger promotional for that division, and a larger relegation in D3.
There would be 2 teams chosen to possibly be promoted from D4, and 2 teams to possibly be demoted. Through this, the lowest team in D3 would fight the second highest in D4, etc. Multiple teams can join D4 at the start of each season, but the sizes of D1-3 shouldn't change unless decided by the committee. Instead, dictate the amount of teams that can be promoted/relegated in D3-4, while maintaining a steady 1 team relegation/promotion with D1, 2, and the promotional of D3.

Yet again, using the example from earlier, we will set up an example. This will be based on the numbers used earlier.

D1(highest)-8 Teams(No promo, 1 relegation)
D2 -8 Teams(1 promo, 1 relegation)
D3 -8 Teams(1 promo, 2 relegations)
D4(Lowest)-10Teams(2 promos, no relegations)

The team pool of D4 would always be changing due to new teams and disbanding teams. Every season, the committee would decide the cap on how many teams could be in the promotional and relegation of D3/4.
So maybe 5 new teams got added? Increase the promo cap of D4 to 3 teams, with the relegation cap of D3 to 3 teams aswell, to balance on another out.

What if too many teams get added and overflow D4? The mods would have to meet, and decide on possibly adding another division.

Now, how would the divisions first start off? It would be completely random, with random teams placed in random divisions. Eventually, the divisions shall balance out into their proper skill categories.

Division matches and how? Just like the recent tourney, a team would have to go against a certain team on a certain date, with the same rules/maps (Use the last tourney as a guideline).


I plan on fixing this up later, maybe even making a thread on it? Anyways I need to rest a bit, will fix up later/make more clear later.

Also, you don't have to go by the numbers I have given, they can always be mixed and changed around.

 

@BlueGuyARed, I wouldn't say there should be a prize per month - it would be interesting though if the league lead up to a tournament, that would be interesting. Depending on where you are in the league would do something for where you are in the tourney. There could be "qualifier" seats for those who aren't in the league, and all the teams who aren't in the league can play for the limited amount. Then for those in the league, they would have their own "qualifier" to see who makes it in - kinda like a playoffs or something. Just another take on it. I'd have to think about it more, though.


@gamren, while it's an interesting idea, I think that makes things way too complicated, and I don't think we have enough teams for that. With a normal league, it's easy and simple to run and won't have too many complications.

 

Maybe a league, where each team plays each other once or twice and after all the matches there is a points table to determine seeds for a tournament. Or, each team has a set number of matches that they are allowed to play (so inactive teams don't have to play as many), and then after that have seeds with playoffs