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  1. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Don't talk trash about Nom. He's one of the best coders for any Minecraft server and he recoded the entire CTF plugin(s) in a matter of days. Do better. He puts a lot of work in and he also has a life?
     
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  2. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    It is a joke, he knows he is the best, which is why we tease him XD
     
  3. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    Literally like, what, the 2nd or maybe 3rd, in the past 2 years, that I have made?

    Oh, damn! Congratulations to you! You're working the gamemode that you promised us two years ago? Holy ****! This guy deserves a medal! Let's congratulate you on doing some work on something that was supposed to be finished long long ago!

    Do teachers give students credit for "working" on a homework assignment that was months past due? No, shut the hell up then and do your damn jobs.

    I'm not criticizing War itself, more the management of it. War was a great game, and then Brawl managed to ruin it, and now they're dying.

    Working on projects that should have been finished a long time ago does not characterize a server as active, having players does. And now War can't even get a single lobby above 40 players. If that isn't dead, I don't know what is.

    Rated your post creative! You're great at inventing excuses for poor management ruining a great game!
     
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  4. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    I was kidding, don't worry. These threads just seem a little bit useless.
     
  5. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    Well too many people here are pitiful enough to get mad at me when I criticize their favorite Minecraft server with facts, I really just don't know anymore.
     
  6. TheMafias

    TheMafias Something wise

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    To comment on the homework reference... Technically it isn't "due". Never had a release date, I am personally seeing a lot of progress with it and I'm excited.
     
  7. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    They've been working on it since its been announced, but the developers that worked on it have left and the project had to be started again, which is something out of the current staff team's control. @Totom3 is working on it now, and he's coded a lot of stuff for HG and has made a lot of progress on War 2.0, to the point where there's been a beta test for it already.

    But you're not their teacher, and they're not your student. The staff have designed, coded and managed a server - if anything, you owe them, not the other way round. Also, its not the mods' jobs to create gamemodes, since they're volunteers. The only people who have jobs here are the ones that get paid, such as the developers, and even then its not strictly their job to code War 2.0. The only developer whose job is to code War 2.0 is Totom, and he's made a lot of progress on it.

    A gamemode isn't dead until it can't get enough players to have a game that's any decent. If War only ever had 10 players, it would be dead, but it gets enough players to consistently have big enough games.

    And finally, in response to your initial post, you're still being negative for complaining about something when there's no need to complain about it, and you're still being stupid for thinking that complaining about this will make any difference whatsoever. I can assure you that the staff team will only work slower if you're discouraging them like this.

    I feel excited that War 2.0 is coming out soon, rather than complaining about something that Brawl cannot feasibly change.
     
  8. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    So I suppose Brawl admins telling us specific months when it would come out and creating hype doesn't count?

    Boy, you're a Capture the Flag player that joined in May 2015. What do you know. There's so much wrong with all of this that I could point out but I won't waste my time on someone who obviously knows nothing about what they are talking about.

    I thought it was the responsibility of employers to ensure that they hire good and reliable employees, make sure that a company's project runs on time, and that it doesn't get falsely advertised. I guess that isn't the case. My bad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



    Yall are dumb as **** I swear
     
  9. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    We're just polite and don't like to cause a flame war by not debating on the problem in a civilized way.
     
  10. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I first played War in 2012, when it was advertised on McPvP, and I've played Brawl actively for over a year so I know a lot about some of the stuff that used to happen.

    Getting employees for a server on Minecraft is nothing like getting employees for a server in real life.
    Or, perhaps, you're taking this way too seriously. Most of the staff team are volunteers under the age of 16, and considering Brawl isn't the size of Hypixel they can't really hire experienced developers and pay for them thanks to the EULA. You think we're dumb, because you don't understand what you're saying. You're too busy trying to blame someone for not releasing War 2.0, when in reality it would be a lot better to contribute by building maps, suggesting ideas, or just supporting the server in any way you can. And no, starting a flame war on the forums isn't going to support the server.
     
  11. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    Well when I get on War and get spammed bad names because I criticized some kid's Minecraft server, I sort of lose hope. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Literally all that I said was that it was funny how people hated me for pointing something out a year ago that ended up being true. maybe you shouldnt get so worked up when someone criticizes a Minecraft server. Step outside, feel the sun, maybe even get some friends and a life. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  12. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    You said more than that in your replies, which my post focused on. Also, I don't understand why you're resorting to insulting me then saying I'm getting worked up about things. To be honest, I don't care about what you have to say, I just find it amusing :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  13. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    Honestly same, I'm just doing this because my mom is at the store and I'm bored and it's amusing to see everyone get so mad. xD
     
  14. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    This was assigned to around 4 developers, 2 of them resigned/got demoted, 1 of them is way too busy working on other things, the other is working on it. Who are you talking about? "Teachers", the developers work on the gamemodes themselves, 2.0 was an independent project for each of those devs. The only person who you could be referring to in this analogy as being a teacher is the community. The community doesn't have control over what will happen. The only thing the community can really do for the upcoming gamemodes is to suggest ideas and point out bugs. Developers pretty much do most of the work, if we wanted right now, we could release no gamemode or make no promise with the community.

    The Developers decided to do that. Now let me use that same analogy that you used and tell you this again. A teacher assigns a project to a student, that student ends up going to the hospital because of an injury and cannot work on the project. This relates directly to the situation the developers were in, orange451 could literally no longer work on War, and this is the internet, you can't go to his house and tell him to code, he really had to go. Then Brittain worked on it, then you know what happened to all of that. Then Signatured worked on it and got a lot of gamemodes and killstreaks done, then Totom worked on it and it's going all smoothly. That's like a 50/50.

    You also stated that we're "ruining" a game, and that I'm making up excuses, let's see... we never "ruined" MC-War, the only offense that we could have done was to delay the update. How is that in any possible way affecting the MC-War gamemode? Sure, some community members could be pissed, but how in the world would that change the gameplay of MC-War forever? Sad? Just go to MC-War, don't want to go? Then play something else, we know that the release is delayed, you doing this makes no impact whatsoever.

    "Shut the hell up" - Definitely how you talk to someone if you have a problem
    "do your damn jobs" - We are? Coders coded 2.0 crazily, is promising the eager community disobeying our jobs?
    "how do you feel now" - Excited, there are so many more projects out there, all I feel towards you is that your anger and envy clouds what's actually happening, so you might lie to our faces and say you're bored to act cool-like, but really I can feel the anger behind that phone.

    Not mad at all ^^ , if you don't want to help Brawl or discuss about MC-War then why bother with you?

    EDIT: HAHAHA, not mad at all:

    "War deserves to die for its horrible management and distrustful administrators, and it is, the community realized how Brawl was lying to us about 2.0, lying to us about fixing glitches on time, lying on War being a priority on the server in the slightest. And now Brawl is dying because of it, and I'm not sad or shocked in the slightest."


    You could argue that you're not mad, let's see Brawl was never lying, they just made a promise that they thought they could keep, you can't control the future can you? MC-War 2.0's progress was amazing, you can't stop accidents to you? I can guarantee sometime in your life you made a broken promise or made a huge mistake, so you're basically talking to yourself there.

    "this is sad. War is so dead it's unbelievable. I get on and try to play and there's maybe 1 lobby with barely 30 players. even at peak hours. 2.0 is still nowhere to be seen also, @ everyone that criticized me on my rant months ago. im not raging im just sorta perplexed by the pitifulness of the server rn."

    Wait, just a moment ago, you said you're not sad or shocked in the slightest? Lies? What did you just say about Brawl making lies?

    After you made all the rant threads, you went on the forums and actually made legit suggestions to the server without any rage.

    You complained about tiny things, such as LITERALLY a few days worth of lag?

    That seems a bit hurt doesn't it? If you really weren't mad and wanted to have fun, you wouldn't criticize that would you? This is where my idea kicks in, you're so mad that you don't even realize it xD. You're pointing out every little thing, I think that's a sign of someone who's more than just mad at something, or someone who's just "bored".
     
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  15. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    The Big Bad Wolf has spoken! @Wolfasa

    @MrWaffleman I know you are coming from a good place as are the other posters.

    Wolfasa does have a point. We have been lied to in the past that something was happening with War.

    The lie was that it was being worked on.

    I agree with Wolfie that until 2.0 is released then it is like home work that was due 3 years ago.

    Anyone that says 2.0 #Soon doesn't realize it was supposed to be released 3 years ago and are misinformed.

    There is no set release date. So until it is released and you are playing it then it is still not ready.

    No teacher would give you much credit when you said you would turn something in 3 years ago...and it still isn't done.

    It's rather sad when long time players think the server should die.

    The truth is, for this server to be successful somethings need to change.

    My recommendations for changes: a more focused approach to metics, project management, managing expectations around the work, management communication practices need to change as well.
     
  16. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    We never lied, the most you could say is that we broke a promise we thought sincerely we could keep. Like I said Brawl can't control the future and can't control mistakes. The community just really wants 2.0, and they can complain to great lengths, if I was a 100+ I'm sure I'd be complaining a bit. But out of those few, the people are really golden are the ones who stay calm and are empathetic, it's good to look on all sides to see what's happening. But this is literally one of the most biased threads I've seen in awhile, I can't make a valid counter argument due to how wild in structure his argument is.

    We're already doing what we can to make 2.0 have an actual release date, you can't change that can you? More than 2 developers working on a project always causes some miscommunication or trouble (at a time). That's coming from a developer as well.
     
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  17. sjuka_legogubbar

    sjuka_legogubbar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    #Soon :V

    But what i first for informed was that it was coded on, then orange451 left (first coder for 2.0) and that obviously means War 2.0 is no longer promised.
    Then the same story with Myortvye, but he completed it (what i heard) and wanted more money than Chap would give him.
    Then now Totom3. No ETA, yes but a thrid time this same update is being coded on and the only reason for it not to come out would be Totom leaving as a coder. Atleast thats how i see it =]
     
  18. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    I get what you are saying and appreciate it. You shouldn't take ownership for the debacle that has been 2.0. That isn't your responsibility.

    You could do us all a favor and squash 2.0 #Soon hype because it annoying to everyone who has been living it for the last couple of years.

    I would like all the mods to clamp down on 2.0 unrealistic hype when they see it since this aggravates the community.

    I can also appreciate Wolfasa's point of view as well.

    He is saying what is on the mind of veterans who have been around a while.

    Issues like SMG's and juggernaut not working for years are aggravating to gamers who just see mismanagement. Then a hype train starts again and again.
     
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  19. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    Hm, I see, nice to have a middleman xD. Also, I've been against hypes for every gamemode, because I wouldn't want 2.0 to repeat again, so I tri.
     
  20. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    Was war advertised on mcpvps website 2012?
    Gotta gravedig a few threads if thats true.
     
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