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  1. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Until it is released I don't buy the hype.

    Here's the deal: management has had years to figure this out and they still don't have a finished product.

    Close only counts in horse shoes and hand gernades.

    In the real world people get fired for not being productive...at least they do in the USA.

    #kicking#Soonpeopleinthenuts
     
    #41 MR_EVIL_OVERLORD, Jul 2, 2016
  2. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    Oh, you broke a promise! So much better!

    Controlling mistakes is the job of Administration. If a coder leaves, that is entirely their fault for not keeping stable employees. And sorry that not all of us can stay emotionless after being lied to for 3 years straight by the server we loved and then watched it subsequently die.
     
    #42 Wolfasa, Jul 2, 2016
  3. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    Breaking a promise is in fact better than lying. Lying is intentional, well, I really shouldn't even call this a promise. It's just a tragic accident.

    No, it's impossible to control mistakes, you can only control what happens after, orange451 was an incredibly stable employee, he coded War and Minestrike. There was no doubt that he could accomplish 2.0 as well. But life problems and needs come suddenly and he had to put that first, it's not anyone's fault, we just didn't see that coming.

    You haven't been lied to for 3 years, it's just a series of misfortunate events, developers not being able to accomplish the task. War 2.0 has been literally finished many times but never released, you can watch videos of them, but their source codes are nowhere to be seen. You need to know the difference between lying and accidents/unintended results.

    Not all of us can stay emotionless, then you just lied about that. If you want things to be fixed, genuinely express your feelings (without it clouding your judgement) to the staff members. Complaining about release dates or how Brawl is bad is never going to fix anything, it's just adding oil to the fire that is your own self, considering this isn't hurting or benefiting Brawl.
     
    #43 MrWaffleman, Jul 2, 2016
  4. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Yeah, since Chap was an ex-admin for McPvP, hclewk advertised war. That's why maps like Beaver are also in CTF - it was originally a CTF map but when Chap left McPvP and made his own server, he used Beaver as a map.
     
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  5. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    It's an administrator's job to oversee all of that activity and ensure that it goes smoothly. It has not gone smoothly very many times, reflecting badly on the administration's competence.

    And, haha, okay, yes, I'm gonna go message the Admins "yo yo wassup dawgs, hows that 2.0 comin along mates" and it will all be fixed. For some reason I doubt that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  6. sjuka_legogubbar

    sjuka_legogubbar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Lets see what have gone smooth... Orginal war, minestrike, warz, minecraftparty, creative (is thst even something to code :c), SurvivalPvP (not sure if theres other than Brawl coded), WildWest, KitBrawl and Hg/Hg with guns. And then War 2.0 have gone wrong. I know that war 2.0 should have been one of the older ones of those i listed above if orange would have completed it.

    Also:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  7. Hitchens

    Hitchens Well-Known Member

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    Saying that to a war player who have waited and waited, is like saying that a tdm game resulting in 20 kills and 50 deaths is good. Sjuka>>> hey you did get 20 kills, thats a gg.
     
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    #47 Hitchens, Jul 2, 2016
  8. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    If you want to support the staff, post any ideas you have, respond to threads made by Totom or Roke asking what kind of stuff the community want to see in War 2.0, and if you feel extra generous then donate.

    From what I know, you were only ever promised a release date for War 2.0 when orange was coded it, and it would've probably been met if orange didn't leave for IRL issues (which no-one could've foreseen, and it could've happened in real life companies just as easily) - this was the only time they broke their promise, and since it was so long ago I don't see a point in bringing it up. Since then, all that's been promised is that its being worked on and that its coming, both of which is true.

    Also, complaining doesn't help. I play on an RPG server that promised to release a huge update in 2014, but due to unforeseen events it wasn't released until the end of fall 2015. However, its released, its epic, and it was definitely worth the wait even if promises were broken. And its fine that promises were broken, because instead of rushing to release the update, they spent a lot of time making it awesome and when it was released, it surpassed everyone's expectations.

    This most likely won't be the first or the last time you'll hear this, but just be patient, because it is coming and the staff are working at the best of their ability to release this while still having updates for other gamemodes too.
     
    #48 SoCool21, Jul 2, 2016
  9. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    I never said it wasn't coming. Just funny how everyone trashed me over saying it wasn't coming a year ago and I turned out to be right and people still trash me for me.
     
    #49 Wolfasa, Jul 2, 2016
  10. Hitchens

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    Did you read @SoCool21's post
    I mean, i am not sure after reading yours
     
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    #50 Hitchens, Jul 2, 2016
  11. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I think people weren't hating on you because you're wrong, but because you were complaining/being negative. Honestly, I agree with some of the stuff you're saying - the higher-ups are partly to blame for taking so long to release War 2.0, but there's no point in complaining about it and finding someone to blame.
     
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    #51 SoCool21, Jul 2, 2016
  12. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    Please refrain from flaming at others or this thread will be locked.
     
    #52 Lord_Roke, Jul 2, 2016
  13. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    Mistakes cannot be controlled like I have said, if someone below an admin does a mistake or has to go, the administrator cannot prevent that.

    I also just said you can't change everything by ranting, I said you could change it if you made actual good ideas.
     
    #53 MrWaffleman, Jul 2, 2016
  14. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    But it's the employer's job to maintain a consistent and competent operation, and they have very clearly failed in that. And what am I supposed to do? PM Lord_Roke saying, "Hey, here's a good idea! Release 2.0!"? Would that help anything? No.

    No point? okay. I guess I'll just watch Brawl crash and burn while sitting silently on the sideline.
     
    #54 Wolfasa, Jul 2, 2016
  15. Algelier

    Algelier Former Staff Member.

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    Complaining or making negative threads about things that have been well-and-truly announced however without any ETA's won't make their progress faster. Before saying whatever comes into your head, please take into consideration that coding a whole new server is not as easy as everyone thinks. And instead of saying that Brawl is dying little by little, and if you do care about this community, you should then try to give us some pieces of advice in order to help us to keep maintaining Brawl as playable as it used to be. And in no instance I remember you saying this kind of sentences, as it is not true.
     
    #55 Algelier, Jul 3, 2016
  16. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    How will complaining stop Brawl from "crashing and burning"? They know they're incredibly overdue with War 2.0, its not as if complaints like this are informing the staff team of anything they don't already know.
     
    #56 SoCool21, Jul 3, 2016
  17. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    You're not getting what I'm saying, I'm saying you suggest ideas in the Server Ideas section which gets processed so that the dev can see it, you don't do it in a PM. Totom hasn't failed in making 2.0, and before, there was barely any news released about 2.0, only like one video, this time we're learning from our mistakes and making the community more involved. Just go see how many threads Totom has made to ask for community opinion. That would help a bunch. Plus, "Release 2.0" is not even a valid idea, don't use that for a basis.
     
    #57 MrWaffleman, Jul 3, 2016
  18. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    If you're upset with the leadersship, then make your own server or change what you think is bad about this one instead of ruining everyone's day and spamming.
    And if this is a 12-year old's server, then why are you here?
     
    #58 xGhale, Jul 3, 2016
  19. Wolfasa

    Wolfasa Well-Known Member

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    1: Never said this was a 12 year old's server.
    2: If your day is ruined by someone making a thread on a pretty much dead Minecraft forum, then that's pretty pitiful in my book.

    Okay now I'm going get serious here for a second. Just because you can't necessarily change something doesn't mean you shouldn't speak up about it. Many of the individual protesters in the Civil Rights movement didn't change anything by complaining, but when they gathered together, they had a voice that led to change. Just because some Jews in Germany weren't going to change Hitler's mind whatsoever before the Holocaust doesn't mean they shouldn't have spoken up. Their voices have now lasted throughout the decades as beacons of hope for the humanity of our species amidst a tragedy that should never be repeated. Just because your voice in complaining about this election year in America doesn't necessarily change anything, it is necessary. It is necessary to call out something that you don't like or believe is not fair, and even if it doesn't change anything, it becomes a rolling wave of opinions that eventually, down the road, can be seen as a movement for something. And without that wave. the world would just be a mellow ocean of people going about their daily lives, experiencing inconveniences on small to very large scales, but nothing would ever be done about it, because they never said anything. They never spoke up about it, so the world stayed the same, and it would be entirely their fault.

    What, so am I supposed to make a suggestion "Add less things to War 2.0 so it can come out quicker so this whole thing will look less pitiful on the trust of Brawl's promises."

    I think your pissing the point mate. Brawl gave us the hype, Brawl gave us the expectation, Brawl gave us anticipation. And then they ruined. Maybe not purposefully, but they ruined. #soon was what, two years ago? I'm sorry to break it to you, but that isn't very soon buddy. Therefore their word is tainted now. We have no reason to ever believe them again when they say anything pertaining to a new release, or when something is going to be updated on the server. They did this to themselves.
     
    #59 Wolfasa, Jul 3, 2016
  20. Koal_

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    1. Wolfasa get back on bro, I'm missing you
    2. How is this thread not locked yet? ''lmao''
    3. Hmm, I agree with most issues posted by you Wolf, but the devs are working their hardest on it and in the meantime other staff are there to Ensure you can still have a good time within the community. People keep saying how Brawl is dying but i don't really care because there are still plenty of ways to have fun here, maybe you should just do the same and enjoy and idk maybe just care a bit less about how the server made promises and all.
     
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    #60 Koal_, Jul 3, 2016
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