The CTF Refereeing Rant.

Perhaps we need more ctf mods in general. Maybe its timezones, but I find it weird that I see cuddled on more than any mod who's actually assigned to ctf.

 

Ye, I'm quite fine with the current mods and their reffing abilities, especially @b0squet who went over his system with me and a few others during a match.

The main concern for most people is that it is becoming difficult to get a mod to setup matches, as this problem has occurred multiple times now. Myself and others are content with the mods abilities to ref, while some still have room to improve it usually isn't a big issue as major rule breaks can be obvious to both teams and the mods. They are only human and we shouldn't be bashing on mods for setting up matches in their free time and sticking around to do the best of their abilities to make sure it is a fair match.

But yes, as stated earlier, we need more people with the ability to setup and ref matches as many times there isn't a mod on hand to be able to setup a match, even when scheduled and notified about in advance. The main problem isn't the mods abilities to note and spot rule breaks, but that there just isn't enough people to referee.

 

+1

And @Doubtfully, I don't think it's the nature of being a Mod that makes one try to be perfect but more hesitant. I think it's more the nature of individual people. All people think and act differently. (but maybe Brawl promotes more of those type of people because they tend to show more "maturity"?)

However, when you say...

I actually believe a Mod and a referee are basically the same title. Both of their jobs are to moderate and enforce the rules. Maybe it seems Mods aren't very impeding/deterring in casual CTF games, but if a problem arises, it is their duty to act upon it (and I'm sure they do, whether it's in game or in chat). Even though they are well known and are friends with most of the community, their job takes priority if there is ever a problem.

 

I was informed by @aRandomBob157 awhile back that CTF strikes must be talked about and issued by the committee @Doubtfully , unless in a extremely special case like Shinx (Rest in peace sweet prince).

Also, going by @b0squet penalty system that he told me about earlier, strikes usually aren't a main form of punishment. Usually the punishment will either be a forced sub out or a cap removed, depending on the situation. Most of the time a warning will be issued, leading to a sub out most of the time.

Going by past history, strikes are usually issued to rude players who insult teams, mods, and players, mostly while in game (and alt accounts in other teams).

 

Yea this is more than likely the case... Probably because a chat is solid evidence which could be read and reread, while in-game action happens in an instant so it would be much harder to act upon. Like I already said– it's hard to decide whether or not there was actually a fault and whether a penalty of whatever degree is needed in the millisecond instance of a situation. And some people are more reserved than others...

But I agree that by having a referee/spectator rank, responsible members of the CTF community can greatly help Mods and matches in general. Cuz there could be up to 3 refs in a game along with a Mod (if available), so that everything would be closely observed. But not only would the game be closely observed, but if a rule is broken, there would be an appropriate punishment (in just the match itself, because if it's anything severe, then the CTF Committee would have to deal with it). So referees are basically spectators who can observe but also have some Mod-like power to take action. These refs would probably enjoy themselves too while in Stream or recording, which can relieve some stress from the Mods in requiring to show up to every single match.

 

bring back wool

 

Insulting the mods isn't going to get us anywhere, especially since the committee is usually in charge of making decisions. We need to handle the situation maturely and hopefully work together with the committee/mods.

 

is it not horribly clear by the fact that the mods basically ignore 90% of community feedback that they are not interested in working together with the rest of the community?

this thread is a prime example of this exact point - mods not giving enough of a **** to even come in and provide their thoughts on the matter, or even clarifying on the position with the server ranks that this thread has derailed into.

 

After coming from MCPVP and being here for most of the Brawl era, I only have one conclusion.

There wouldn't be any harm done in adding a referee rank. It is something that has been suggested countless times and honestly all that has been done is prediction after prediction about a system like this. Which is why I heavily encourage the CTF Team Committee to implement a system like this. Worst comes to worst, it doesn't work out, and it is removed.

P.S. Yes, as clarification, it is entirely possible to give someone a rank on the match servers alone, refer to here: http://blueguyared.xyz/i/S00I.png - Not sure who said that we couldn't do this, or why, but it is false

 

Ty @BlueGuyARed

 

Thank you so much for listening to us

 

99% of the reason I didn't want to post on this thread is because I have already had this discussion multiple times. The other 1% reason is if I do say anything, I am positive if I say anything that isn't "Yes, we're doing this!" I'll get it shoved right back (which has been the case every time I do have this discussion). So let's see what happens this time.

Here are my thoughts on the matter, in general. I used to be against it, heavily against it. However, I changed my mind because low efficiency and non-concrete systems started bothering me. The issue with the rank is it has to be worked on and maintained. Here are some of the things that would probably need to happen:
-Public application (as told by Cuddled) so that's a lot of applicants to go through, my guess is pretty much consistently.
-Interview and discussion so we can truly understand if the player will not be bias and do a good job.
-In-game training and follow-up (like with all the recordings, being in matches co-reffing with them etc..)
-Ref and player punishment. We'd have to be making sure refs are being fair and sportsmanlike just as much as players are, so probably another entire set of rules and guidelines
(So basically the same process, plus more, for getting someone mod.)

That is just four of the main things that we'd do with the addition of this system. Now while some of us are all for it, you guys all say it yourselves that many of us are older and have jobs, other things etc... So if you all think already we don't have time to make these matches, then we definitely would't have the time to maintain this system, which is twice as much work. If the system isn't maintained, the system will get faulty, things could spin out of control unchecked by us and so on. So, while a good idea in theory, now is just not the right time.

However, this is what we are going to do. We're going to starting actively looking for CTF mods again. Let me make this perfectly clear. We are NOT looking for mods that want to ref and only ref. If we figure out that is why you want mod only, chances are you won't get it - you should probably just wait until we look at the ref system again. With more mods, we'll have more people to maintain the system, as well as all the other things mods are supposed to do. Perhaps in the future with this more active group revolving around our teams, we will be able to implement the system. I know that this isn't the answer that you want and I'll probably get the "ok so in 6 years" treatment, but that's is our decision. No more vagueness, no more guessing. There it is, that is our answer.

TL;DR, we want to bring in fresh new people to our mod team FIRST, before pushing for this system again. Upper staff wise and coding wise it all checks out, but what we do need are new, active CTF mods to help enforce a new player rank - as well as fill in all those gaps many of you have been mentioning to us.

 

Ty @Quarrelt , I'm pretty sure that a big amount of the community, myself included, are quite happy that the committee is going to take action to solve this problem.


Obviously it will take some stuff to find new mods with the whole process of becoming one, the jr mod period, etc. But this is definitely an improvement that myself and others can be happy and look forward to. I would like to thank the committee and others for looking towards the problem and working together to find a solution.

I don't want to seem too annoying, so I'll just leave it as this to a message to myself and others;

We will need to be patient as the mods look and recruit more mods, as obviously this will take some time.

As a final note, I have much respect for the committee for being able to take action on this, and for being able to volunteer their time to help make something better for the community at the best of their abilities. Thank you <3

 

P sure ctf mod apps aren't even open xddd

 

They were opened earlier today.