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Buffs and nerfs in my opinion

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Arkenssine, Aug 1, 2016.

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  1. Arkenssine

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    Ok so heres what ill think for each class:

    Heavy: Honestly fine with this class in general

    Soldier: This class could use a nerf on its wall climb, sure it has the xp bar but i feel like the fact that it can wall climb while holding the flag allows it to abuse the fact that few classes are as mobile, possible suggestions;

    Disable wall climb when you hold the flag
    Only make it so wall climb can activate when your on solid ground rather than soldier leap combos
    Or just simply make it so when the soldier is hit it cant activate wall climb similar to ninja not being able to constantly spam its invis powder

    Medic; Fine with it but i feel it shouldnt have so much flag cap potential, id rather see it with more support/ self defense than flag stealing

    Archer: With the fact that it instakills no matter what class, and still requires the skill of aim i find this one hard to balance

    Ninja: Fine with this but like everyoe says maybe give it sharp 5.

    Assassin: Fine with this risk/reward class

    Dwarf: Fine with this after the nerf

    Chemist: Chemist, the class has already gotten a nerf, but i feel like the fact that it can buff other players with say strenght/speed makes it really overpowered for group rushing flags because of its buff potential, a few games there was a chemist and a heavy with strenght/speed i found it extremely hard to even land a hit on them because they outdamaged me.

    Mage: Nerf the lightnings knockback, nerf the damage spell by maybe -1-2 damage, and would love some changes making it feel more like a mage rather than a living turret

    Necro; In need of a massive revamp/buff, ive already made a slight suggestion but in all honesty i see this class with potential for a complete change

    Elf; Perfectly fine with this except like soldier it can use its wind bow to go to areas that few classes can go...

    pyro; Love this class the way it is but make the frenzy double click an option-able thing and it could also get a slight fire duration nerf on the bow from 2.5-3.5


    Overall these are nerf and buff ideas i was thinking of, because of personal experience i found it a bit frustrating with some factors and contributions.
     
  2. EmperorTrump45

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    You might as well remove wallclimb entirely instead of nerfing it to the point that it provides less mobility than a Bouncy Castle. And considering that mobility is Soldier's only ability I don't really think it's a good idea to nerf the dickens out it since without any particularly useful abilities Soldier just becomes another white dude in iron armor.

    Is it annoying as hell when a Soldier swoops into your flagroom and flies out with the flag like Buzz Lightyear? Yeah. But there are other ways to deal with that sort of thing than nerfing the class to bits. Soldier was, after all, originally created to capture the flag.
     
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  3. HaHaGetLost

    HaHaGetLost I hope one day you choke on the s*** you talk.

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    First of all this should belong in the server ideas section. Second soldiers wall climb is fine in my opinion. Many classes can kill it fairly easy if they know what they are doing (defensive soldiers, assassins, pyros, ninjas, and archers). Now chemist.. The reason you are getting very overpowered by them is because of the crit problems right now. A heavy will do 7 hearts to a ninja and can 2 shot quite a few classes. Mage I give +1. Necro could get a buff, but who really plays it anymore. The devs need to work on the classes that are mainly used atm and not the ones that aren't used. Last time I typed /necro was like 3 months ago. Now elf I feel the same with what I said about soldier. The mods have already stated that pyro's double click is not going to change.
     
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    No one reads the server ideas section.
     
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  5. Arkenssine

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    Alright i guess that makes sense, thanks for feedback

    I get it was meant to do that but it can also easily overpower the classes that can catch up to it, ninja xan get sliced, elf is much slower and isnt as tanky as soldier, its a bit annoying how some soldiers can go up areas that would take so much effort to get to
     
  6. Nalasleafheart

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    The soldier class nerf.. Well.. Still when you have the flag it isn't easy to get away with the xp bar, A few times I've panicked with 3 ninjas and spammed too much and couldn't wall climb. Wall climbing is what the soldier gets as a class so rendering it useless and saying no wall climbing is like asking ninja to no longer have pearls.
    (one thing I'm happy that doesn't happen anymore and miss about it is the fact of hiding under the map with the flag. Hilarious old times. I quit playing before I saw this nerf)

    Ninja as of now I don't see it needing a nerf or buff.

    I don't think theres a way to stop medic from capping. Actually... maybe take it's healing regeneration capability away when the flag is in their hand? Because in the past I've been on a 6v6 server and waited the whole 20 or whatever minutes its on blackout camping with the flag as medic, and so did the opposite flag holder.

    Hmm.. Maybe prevent heavy from being buffed in general?

    Mage- I already have this class and it can be annoying as hell to use in the first place, I also haven't had a lot of issues grabbing the flag from mages.

    Necro- already put my input on this

    Elf- (YEAH DUDE THIS CLASS NEEDS A NERF.) I've seen elves fly off map and go cap that way. To combat this, it'd be cool if they could add a thing where if you go off map you get instakilled.
     
  7. Sibs

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    I agree, I'd be more interested in giving other classes more tools to deal specifically with wall climb.
     
  8. Arkenssine

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    Thanks for the feedback but like sibs said below maybe classes could have more tools to deal with the wall climb or there could be launcherpads in those hard to get areas?

    I like the idea of special tools to help in dealing with soldier wall climb running
     
  9. super_mii2

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    Ok wall climbing soldier is one of the most difficult things to buff and nerf because nerfing soldier would make it less fun to play, while leaving soldier the same makes it stay annoying to recover from. IMO, we should nerf soldier by changing wall climb to an item soldier holds, removing the xp bar but giving soldier half or one heart of damage every time a soldier wall climbs. <strike>You guys also need to stop supporting maps like Beaver's Creek if you don't want to deal with these types of soldiers.</strike>

    Mage thunder spell should stay the same, but damage spell should lose knockback. Also freeze spell should not encase you in ice, but give you slowness, stop you from jumping and wall climbing
     
  10. Arkenssine

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    I actually like the freeze how it is, i was thinking maybe instead of knockback the thunder could stun you?

    For soldier wall climb maybe a best nerf could be a hit cooldown, when say a player hits the soldier holding the flag the soldier cant wall climb immediatly maybe they have to wait 1-2 seconds without getting hit more so itll prevent quick wall climbing that pulls a fast one on ground classes and it could also stop them from running in and out of the flag room exploiting the advantage of walls
     
  11. Nalasleafheart

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    Most maps have launcher pads to get to hard areas.

    Also, soldier isn't the hardest class to recov off of, It's ninja or at least it's seemed to be ninja.
     
  12. Arkenssine

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    Most people dont have ninja..but for the launch pads some maps seem to lack in specific areas where most soldiers know to exploit
     
  13. Claod

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    Then just ask for the mods to add the sponges instead of nerfing soldier. It's fine the way it is.
     
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