WHAT THE **** AMERICA

Look. I'm not saying Trump's a good guy. He's done a LOT of things wrong. But you're oversimplifying what Hilary's done, or what she would've done if she was elected. This website sums up all the big ones: http://louderwithcrowder.com/7-undeniable-reasons-you-can-not-vote-hillary-clinton/

I'm not replying to this anymore, based on the reason that this website is a MINECRAFT forums page. Not a political battleground.

 

Please stop spreading McCarthyist conspiracy theories. Thanks.

 

You implied he was. Russia is often associated with communism and what you said is obvious red baiting: "Trump is a tool of Russia. Russia is evil. Fear Russia. Support Clinton." That's what you're saying and you know it. Also about the "Trump is a tool of Russia" bit: there's zero evidence to support any of this (other than Trump saying it'd be great to have good relations with Russia in the debates) and it's literally nothing but a bunch of fear-mongering by the Clinton campaign (Clinton on the other hand is tied to Russia via some lucrative uranium deals).

Oh and if anyone's the "biggest threat to the civilized world" it's the United States. We're the nation who has spent the last 50 years crushing democracies (covertly or directly) and replacing them with dictatorships favorable to "U.S. interests".

You don't get to play the victim card when you espouse dangerous, right wing conspiracy theories for the sake of scaremongering people.

 

TBH I want the US to be allied with Russia

Why in gods name would you actively want a rivalry between the two biggest nuclear super powers in the whole world? Like I swear to Christ.

 

Well with more than a dozen women confirming exactly what Donald himself said he does, it is 99% sure trump is a sexual predator. Don't try to compare Clinton with trump. She served the country for over 30 years. She was senator, First Lady and Secretary of State and some reality tv star who got rich inheriting his fathers 300 million company who is clearly a ****ty person both publicly and privately came in, said some racist bull****, had no solid strategy, has policies that is detrimental to the economy and somehow took the election bid. A highly qualified women who spent her whole career serving the us lost to a ****ing reality star who walks into beauty pageant changing rooms to inspect naked women. How only 54% of women voted Clinton? Idk. I live in California and I am genuinely worried if I am going to be able to find a job by the time I leave college. Trumps tax and trade policies will completely destroy the recovery the economy made in 5 years and send it straight back to a recession. Tbh California should recede from the union because we have nothing to gain from being part of a country where almost half of the population thinks this orange lump of spray tan is the best leader of the strongest and most important country in the world. Trump wants to bring back manufacturing jobs which is impossible. It just can't happen. The Midwest is unproductive and California shouldn't have to pay the most taxes, pay for fat white trashs healthcare and retirement and then deal with the absolute joke they elected into office. The whole world thought Americans were stupid before and now they know Americans are shraight up retarded.
Putin probably laughed his ass off for a good 30 minutes and had a 2-day vodka party. Trump in office is a national embarrassment and cannot be defended in anyway. Him being kicked out of office is very justified as he definitely does not represent the educated half of the US. Him being killed, however, would not be the solution as the midwestern rednecks would get up from mcdonalds, get their stash of 30 ak-47s and drive their ford trucks to the productive east and west coast and burn and shoot everything they see. Hopefully calexit succeeds and we won't live in a country full of lazy lumps of fat who spend their time eating gross amounts of fast food and advocating for gun rights.

I should also mention that while I live in California, I identify as conservative. Bush was my first choice.

 

Trump isn't a fascist Russian puppet, Clinton isn't literally satan and we're not all going to die. Jesus **** you people need to chill.

It turns out that calling Trump supporters, redneck, racist, violent, unproductive white trash isn't a good way to get people to listen to your politics. I live in the Midwest, and boy let me ****ing tell you, it isn't the backwards, uncivilized, racist, misogynist, uneducated sh*thole you want it to be. You know, there are quite a few nice people here, and some of them have Internet, and post here. We don't live in the dark ages out here. I hope you realize California isn't the pinnacle of human evolution, no state, country, or person is. Talk about secession all you want, but it's not happening, just like no one has seceded from the union over an election since the civil war. Donald Trump is president, and even though he wasn't my first choice, I can live with it. We're all going to live with it.

 

And yet that is the population that got this joke into the highest office in the world. Nobody thought Trump would win. Nobody thought Brexit would happen. California is 40% hispanic and the leader of this state basically called 40% of our population rapists and murderers. California prides itself on being diverse and Trump is the exact opposite. Trump leading California does not make sense. Calexit is a very real possibility you can't count out. You might have to prepare for a lot higher taxes.

Think about it. Do you know a Muslim person? A Mexican person? And you criticize me on calling all Midwestern these things and yet you seem to be fine with Trump doing the exact same thing to not just a part of the US but billions of people. The difference is, I'm just a 17 year old angry about our president being a despicable person who I believe should go to hell and Trump is maybe the most powerful person in the world.

Also if this is not a good way to get people to listen to my politics how would you justify Trump winning saying much worse things?

 

I'm not justifying his actions, but taking a dump on everyone else doesn't make you any better. Calexit is a twitter trend that will be dead by the end of the month. And it's not even a good name.

 

Well considering the Midwest got orange spray tan monster into the highest office of my country, me raging against them is completely justified. Have you ever worked in a group project, did all the work and then didn't get credit for it? This is how California feels right now. If Californians want this, it will happen.

those "wrongs" pale in comparison with Trump's disgusting nature.

 

I didn't say I was fine with him being a dick, I said I could live with him being President. Trump didn't win because he said a bunch of garbage, he won for numerous different reasons, the biggest two probably being distrust of the system, and low turnout from the Democrats.

It won't happen, remember the civil war? Leaving the union is not allowed under the constitution. California voted and they lost, and that's just it. You guys aren't more entitled than anyone else.

 

It is allowed. A court ruling in 1869 set a path for how a state could recede from the union peacefully.

And if we do more work, naturally we should be more entitled. And yet this government is failing California in favor of the backwards economies of the Midwest.

 

I assume you're referring to Texas v. White? They ruled secession was not constitutional, though they commented that successful revolution or consent of the United States would make it happen. So, you think the Federal Government would give California permission to leave the union? Have you lost your marbles?

As far as California being superior to everyone else goes, remember they have quite a large population compared to everyone else. If you looked at GDP per capita, North Dakota, is second without counting DC. California is tenth. But even looking at this data is misleading. North Dakota has a sh*t ton of oil and a low population, that grants it a high rank on this list. Geography grants California a number of advantages as well, such as taking up a long coastline and being of above average size. It's not fair to say Californians are more entitled than everyone else because their GDP is higher when there are so many other factors at play. Even if Californians are actually more productive people, what do you want the government to do? Give each Midwesterner three-fifths of a vote?

 

Yes. They are clearly not capable of making important decisions.

 

IRONY OVERLOAD

 

XD are you suggesting trump is better than bush?

Trump is in no way a good person let alone a good leader.

 

It isnt worth it @BAWSS5. they will believe what they want. just be glad she didn't win. they can't change it. they lost and now they're mad. trump isn't leaving, so thank goodness for that.

 

Nooooo I'm not.

I am suggesting that it is extremely ironic to attack Trump voters for bad judgement etc. etc. etc. when your first choice for President was a member of the family who used a national tragedy (9/11) to pass HUGE tax cuts for the wealthy and powerful (who didn't need them), raise drug prices to screw over seniors living on Medicare, deregulate the hell out of the financial markets (which helped cause the 2008 financial crisis), subsidize private prisons, subsidize payday loan companies, and start a war against Iraq (by lying to the public about it, over and over and over again), a disastrous and ongoing conflict that has killed untold numbers of Iraqi civilians (last I heard was 500,000+), around 5,000 U.S. troops (with thousands more suffering from mental and physical wounds), led to the torture of unknown numbers of muslims who "looked like terrorists" at Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere (CIA dark rooms where people like Abu Zubadayah were waterboarded over ninety times).

Bush I and Bush II (especially) were disastrous for this country. You can't be a Bush supporter and then get on a high horse and bemoan how stupid this country was to elect Trump. The Bush family is a servant of the plutocracy. Trump won (in part) because people are p*ssed at that plutocracy. If you look at the election day exit polls 7 in 10 voters said that they felt the country was being controlled by the wealthy and powerful.

The U.S. is a anti democratic kleptocracy so I don't know what your point is here.

Yes I would prefer we not start a nuclear war with said country. I know I'm kind of funny like that.

Russia. Is. Not. Invading. Syria. They are literally allied with the Syrian government. If anyone's invading Syria it's ISIS although the size of their forces isn't clear.

Russia. Is. Not. Invading. Ukraine. They are building up troops along the border but they have not invaded the country.

If anyone's waging a propaganda war on the entire world its the U.S. Read Noam Chomsky and Glenn Greenwald sometime.

That's not going to happen. Unless the U.S. invades Russia and starts a nuclear calamity.

It was until the Democrats started using Republican tactics to push their unlikable candidate.

How many people have been killed in all the little wars and coup d'eats and bloody dictatorships the U.S. has sponsored? How many died under Suharto? Pinochet? The junta in Brazil? How many died in the covert bombing of Cambodia in the 70's? Or in the Vietnam War? Or in Afghanistan from 1979-1989? Iraq? Palestine? Bosnia? How many died by U.S. inaction in Rwanda? That total's estimated to be over 900,000.

It was a tragedy when you consider how many people were thrown into abject poverty after the vulture capitalists took over in '92 and sold off literally every state asset they could get their hands on.

And there's definitely not a troop buildup along the Ukrainian (and Russian) border by NATO (comprised primarily by U.S. soldiers).

Oh look its the old conspiracy theorist accusation. Yeah that's an old standby for Clinton supporters. To answer your question I don't read Breitbart or r/Conspiracy. I read Noam Chomsky, Greg Palast, Ralph Nader, and Naomi Klein. Two of my favorite sites include Jacobin (online magazine) and The Intercept_

As for Russia: they are not a massive threat to mankind. They haven't been for a long time. It's not to say that they aren't dangerous. The Russians are both dangerous and capable. Vladimir Putin is, no doubt (former KGB agent), a very smart leader. But they do not need to be contained nor do they need to have their economy (or possibly lands) destroyed by the U.S. for the sake of pursuing some grandiose empire.

I'm not defending Russia. I simply do not view them as a great evil at this time. Given what you're describing, we're not going to see eye to eye on the situation so there's no point continuing this.