should repetitive earth element spam be against mmr

Is this because of what @Kashyyyk does?

 

Earth spam is indeed a problem +1 to adding to mmr, however, moderating earth spam has to be done carefully, grounding a soldier takes more than 1 arrow to be effective enough to create an opening for attack. In my opinion, the problem lies with its design, earth element is spammed because the root isn't effective enough to create a significant difference, I know this isn't a fix
suggestion thread but adding a sizable cool down and buffing the root would be the optimal fix.

Obvious elf bias tho

 

If you can't use earth element effectively without spamming it you should find a new class. and the whole point of it is to temporarily slow down a player, but at certain distances earth element chains can make it almost impossible to move before you get hit again. Earth element is my favorite element as elf but I don't spam it because its cheap. It's not fun to be constantly bogged down by an element that you can't dodge because you can't move

 

If the earth element was meant to slow, it would have a slowness effect on it, but it was deliberately given a root, for the purpose of stopping movement. It was meant to stop soldiers from wall climbing, and it's still fairly easy to run and move around with an elf shooting at you. @TheWolf__

Also @November clarify two things for me

Why do this now. Elf has been a thing for along time yet all of a sudden you make this post now. Egg spam and web spam were added because they were obviously a problem. If it's super annoying why wait until now to post it

Also you need to define what the hell you mean by earth spam, because one definition could be entirely different from what yours is, so before you make a gameplay changing idea, please have some detail and idea as to what you mean. Also if you think there could be a cd fix to elf 'earth spam' please give the suggestion

 

Yes and it is infact against mmr to spam earth element. @TheWolf__ if you read the mmr it is infact there. It's not specific to what you are calling for, but it's there. So, if a ref doesn't enforce it to your liking, tough luck.

 

Don't accuse matt or tt

 

Rename the thread to: Should Restrictions on Earth Spam be Tightened.

 

You clearly stated that for a reason as to why this thread would clearly be made. You aren't even 100% sure that there are any problems. It could easily come out that TT doesn't really care about the their problems with Snowbreak. Its simple and common sense, as for the ban of the spam, its a legit option to ban it since it has been talked about for the past few months. As well as a lot of people have done this in the past, and even some mods have stepped up during matches to inform those who are doing such thing to calm down on the spam. Tbh both options would clearly be fine, a cooldown or a ban. As long as something is done about this.

 

Look buddy, Elf is practically useless. As an offensive class, one ninja can kill any elf, if it takes more than one life so what. Capping as an elf is pretty hard as it is, and there is no coder in CTF at all. At all. So nothing will be done about elf for the foreseeable future, which means elf as a class has to do as it is. Now elf offense doesn't work as well as it could, (most people would pick soldier over it any day), so what can you do with it. Well midfield elf could be cool, but you run out of ammo super fast. So elf defense. It can be super useful, air element people off bridges, pure element their heavies and stuff. And earth element. If you restrict people from doing this all together, then what use will elf have. Not much, it will fall behind as a class, and be almost untouched.

Also your opinion of CTF doesn't really seem all that valid when there is this:

It clearly shows you don't really know mmr, sooo

 

As I am actually on TBF, one of the two parties involved, I am 100% certain that there have been problems between Snowbreak and TT. There may not be anymore issues now, but there were recently. I feel I would know more about this issue since I was actually involved.

Regarding the ban through mmr, ranged spam and close quarter earth spam is already banned through mmr.

 

@ACE_BLUE2 @Spades_ With the current restriction there are very few cases where a ref can call out earth spam, almost every single time a ref has called out earth spam the person earth spamming brings up the specifics of the rule, and usually continues earth spamming. The entire point of this thread is getting off track more and more, arguing over semantics won't change anything, just focus on what Matt meant when he made the poll.

 

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Doesn't it already say all ranged spam is banned? Does earth spam not qualify as ranged spam? I'm confused at what you want lol. I'm assuming you'd like tighter restrictions, and a clearer mmr regarding this.

 

I clearly made a mistake, that then and there cleared up more about MMR for me. I made a mistake, what can you do about it? nothing since it already happened, I still don't see any relevant information down there, nor do I see any reason for you to put that there. People learn off mistakes, rather than calling people out, I would want to work out and see what people would want to do with this whole situation. Calling people out isn't going towards the right direction, also not to mention that honestly isn't the greatest move to do. Being nice and talking about what can be done is something that can be done, getting aggressive will get you no where. Besides that the pole is also looking very one sided. With various people voting Yes for getting rid of Earth Element spam, and honestly getting rid of the spam wouldn't really change gameplay. Specially when people claim that they shoot about 2-3 shots, I don't see why banning it is a big issue.

 

I'd rather not have a meta that makes me want to end my life. Limited meta is better than ****ing annoying meta.

 

1-3 consecutive shots is repetitive, but anything more than 3 is excessive imo and should be banned

 

i really want to be a good elf player like you you are the man with a plan

 

I will believe that last part when TT stops saying stuff about TBF.

Also so what I can shoot 3 earth elements and then let them walk a couple blocks and shoot 3 more? Because that's supposedly how eggs work.

 

haha what a shame that theres the need to discuss this or the skin problem...
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