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The Xray's gone WAY too far

Discussion in 'MC-War' started by iamdroone, Nov 25, 2017.

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  1. DaddyPurest

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    If you care so much, record and report :smile: you can stay immature and toxic that way too!
     
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  2. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    You haven't covered even half of the things we need to take into consideration.

    How would you know, when we all go in poof immediately when we join a server the hacker is on? We're not going to publicly announce to everyone, including the potential xrayer, that we're online. If an xrayer knows a staff member is online, if they have the slightest ounce of common sense, they'll toggle it off.

    In short: we catch hackers because we want to. It's not a job and we don't have to treat it like one - we catch hackers because we want to, and when we don't want to (such as just being burnt out, not being in the mood or just straight up just wanting to play Brawl for a bit), we don't.

    Because someone has to.

    The reason we're given these privileges is because the higher-up staff members responsible for promoting mods feel we're trustworthy enough to manage these privileges appropriately. Not because they think we're going to be constantly online banning hackers whenever we have the smallest amount of free time: but because we can meet the reasonable expectations they have on us.

    The simple fact is this: if we're not being paid for it, it's not a job. The only incentive any of us have is that we want to ban hackers and want to help out. If expectations on us are too high, the motivation we have will quickly fade away.

    I'm afraid the only thing broken here is your argument:
    So are mods not responding to /report, or are too many of us in the "wrong timezone"? Your argument of us ignoring /report is countered by something you've said prior.

    War 2.0's "crappy anti-cheat system" is no crappier than War 1.0 when it comes to player xray. War 1.0 has NCP, which doesn't deal with player xray whatsoever.

    Considering that, apparently, it's our "job" to do so:
    What do I believe?!

    This is even worse: not only are you doing nothing yourself to stop xrayers other than complaining, but you've been contributing to the problem.

    You're trying to say that the xraying in the war community is getting out of hand, and that the reasoning for this is that because mods are bad. It's blatantly clear what the intent of this thread is.

    I've never been asked for proof of a ban and haven't had any. If you know which bans you should record for and which bans you needn't bother recording for, you'll never get asked for proof that you don't have.

    In the event someone appeals and I don't have evidence for it, I look at their explanation (if they've given any: sometimes it's just "I don't hack I promise!!!!" and, in that case, I'll deny it) and see if it could contain any validity. Here's an example: say I banned someone for fly on Party. They appealed saying: "there's a glitch on Shoot the Sheep that let's you fly anywhere if you're spectating", I would test out the glitch to see if it's a thing and, if it is, unban them (slightly flawed example because I know of the glitch, but you get what I mean).

    Keep in mind that about 1 in every 100 players I ban actually appeals, and that's usually because it's a "controversial" ban that we've been told (unofficially) that we must get recorded evidence of. And, in the very rare case that a new player did ask for proof and I didn't have any, I can trust myself that I'm not incompetent enough to false ban for a blatant hack.

    As I've said before, it's been absolutely impossible for me to do this in the past.

    It all depends on how good the appeal is. If the appeal is as simple as "I didn't hack" and provides absolutely no arguments or explanation, we could just as easily say "Yes you did" and it'd be just as valid. If the appeal is "I didn't hack, I..." then goes into detail about what they could've done, then we'd unban them.

    And trust me on this. I was false banned from Munchy and the staff member who banned me, Callahan, didn't record any evidence of my ban. After spending about 2 days just trying to figure out why I was banned (the "hack" I was using was withheld from me), I wrote a long appeal giving a good argument to prove myself innocent. This was denied by DreamOnPvP essentially saying "No you did hack", and that would've been the end of the that if I didn't have friends in their admin team.

    I know what it's like to be on the "other end" and, ever since the incident I've described, I've vowed to take appeals seriously and ensure I have a counter-argument just as valid as their argument if I decide to deny the appeal.

    I wouldn't say this is off-topic. This is just the course this thread has taken - ultimately it's still (... barely) relevant to the main topic.
     
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  3. iamdroone

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    Okay. Well regarding the cheating infraction when did I ever say I continued to X-ray rofl. I clearly made a thread that I stopped and I wouldn’t do it again. Idk how you can say I’m still contributing to the problem. That just makes me laugh. I am assuming your intention was that I contribuTED to the problem NOT contributING to the problem my friend.

    Regarding the time zone the answer is BOTH. The war mods are in Europe and once they are asleep who is there to watch the server? I know the mods are reffing ctf matches or are on raid or warz, but particularly on war is what is an issue.

    And no, the intention of this thread is NOT to talk **** about mods, but more in a way to describe what the problem on the war side of brawl really is. I’m just addressing an issue on what has been happening in the war community, not saying that you are bad and should be demoted immediately, but rather an issue that should be fixed.
     
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  4. Overkilll_

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    I think that you should do /report and record and report at report.brawl.com
     
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  5. EmperorTrump45

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    uh huh

    You have said or implied that staff are 'bad' 5 times lol. All you're doing is complaining at staff for a problem that isn't easy to address and Tom called you on it. Either make a real effort to stop xrayers (what Overkill said) or get your sh*t together and apply for war staff in a few months. At least that would accomplish something, unlike this thread
     
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  6. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    It usually depends on what you are banning for. If it's extremely blatant, like someone speed hacking very fast or flying around, evidence isn't "as" important as someone who you suspect of ghost clienting. If it's something that is easily discussed or hard to get proof for, you have to record. These for an example would be cases of ghost client or xray bans. Since I can't record I never ban for either of these and I usually just forward the players name to another staff member who can.
    Also imo, if the hack was extremely blatant, the player shouldn't even appeal in the first place since they are only there to make up a bull**** lie to try to get out of it. They know full well that they will be denied regardless if there is evidence or not.
     
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  7. Corcustos

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    Just because it hasn't happened a lot doesn't mean that it doesn't look extremely unprofessional when all you can give is your word, even if they blatantly did break the rules. Evidence is always important, regardless of the circumstances. The point of what you guys are saying is just "if it's obvious, we don't need evidence.", which is really just disappointing. I assume you understand enough not to punish me for disrespecting staff. I hope we can continue this conversation without a staff member using their authority to get a word in and force-end the discussion, not that this is going to go anywhere. I'd be pretty satisfied if that did happen however, as that would cement my point even further.
     
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    so you are saying unusual game patterns can be a factor. It sometimes may not be the best way to determine if someone is cheating.
     
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