Idea Engineer rework Idea

As an addition to the breaking of those turrets I would also suggest that Medics can "freeze" them with their webs. Like Mage, giving them a short moment of cool down.

 

Hi Male, first of all very interesting idea. I like the general concept.
I absolutely agree with the ninja invisibility rework you are proposing, engineer is terrible to play against.
I also like the switching between defensive and attacking position, however in a situation like the following I would rather see switching possible without having to respawn.

Situation:
A blue team's engineer is camping a strategical spot in the middle of the map, covering a large area and forcing people to take a different route. You, as a red engineer want to destroy his turret and take over his position. Which means you want to switch from defensive to attacking turret in a short amount of time, hence you will have to deal with the engineer as well. However if you'd constantly have to rebuild the turret and wait for it to refill, the other engineer will be able to re-setup as well and you'd have to redo everything. And in this scenario I'm not even including support from either side.

On the other hand, if you'd combine a defensive with an attacking turret you are basically invulnerable in a map where it's hard to instakill the engineers and considering the engineers will most likely have some support around them.

Apart from this ^^ +1 from me

 

yesi think if u add it and maybe a percent increase with

 

Thats an insanely long distance... (2) but your solution for 1st situation sounds decent

 

It's about time for an engineer change imo. Your changes for ninja and archer are something that I'm personally a huge fan of. Although, when I was reading through your thread, I notice that the turret attacks players at a 22 block radius? If someone can let me know if that's longer, shorter, or about the same as current engineer it would help me out.

The most interesting part of your thread has got to be the defense and offensive based turrets. Not too sure how I feel about that one, but I guess I'd have to see it first. Overall, you have well thought out change, that isn't really a buff or a nerf, but rather just a balancing change; I appreciate that.
+1

 

I dislike some of the changes.

Turret Changes:
-Seems needlessly complicated and defense mode is really, really bad if it only counters other engineers
-Solution, keep the two modes but change defense mode’s function. As well as this, make turrets vulnerable to mage, and elf projectiles.
-Perhaps a simpler change such as defense mode would have more hp but unable to hit ninjas or hit other classes much less often.

Ninja Change
-Hard disagree. Engineer at is really a class used to crowd control ninja’s which otherwise saturate many games. Removing this quality would make engineer lose its niche in small games.
-Solution, Ninjas are vulnerable to turret, but assassin’s aren’t. This makes camping with the flag much harder as well. Give some more rep to an underpowered class too.

The archer change is great, and should be expanded to all other classes with projectiles except ninja and medic (as eggspam/webspam on turrets would be broken lol)

Regenerator change is pretty good too, and I’d like to add a Miner Fatigue I debuff to hurt the Engi’s ability to cake fight.

Turret is okay, but I wouldn’t mind more health (maybe 1.5-2 of a normal person) for a 10-20s cooldown after breaking a turret. (Repairing a turret could give engineers slowness I as well as the fact that they are vulnerable to assassins)

Cool rework but I wish teleporters were touched on. I think a rework is welcome but most people are overrating engi’s prowess. (Still loses hard to archers, chemists and heavies on well-made maps) Map makers need to be more vigilant to not make dumb engi points.

If I understand what radius means, 22 blocks would be pretty OP

10 Block restriction is overkill. The web change imo will be inconsequential for the most part.

 

The “defensive turret” idea is kind of lack luster With its only purpose being to destroy other turrets. Its hecka situational & sounds more like “I’m angry about engineers lets make something that completely counters them without having to do any work”
Anyways, How about instead you could have the defensive ability being instead it could destroy projectiles in the given area consuming like 1 Health for every 1 or two projectiles (Archer or elf arrows, damage spells, ice, eggs, snowballs, Epearls etc) in like a 5-10 block radius. This still makes hostile turrets useless in the range, allowing you to break them easier & also gives the ability more usage against other classes like mage, while still giving up offensive power.

 

Totally Agree with the first para. Second para removed a niche that elf has and that I'd think it would be better if elf kept, while making Engi even more powerful by buffing it's versatility