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  1. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    It’s an easy way to get your ban/mutes up lol, all the proof is provided for you and you simply click, dont even say “oh but i need to decide if its valid” at this point cheaters arent hard to identify. It’s not a salty tone I just dislike most of the current staff members and i’d say I have a good reason to. Yeah people to to school, @JayOG had school yet how many hours was he able to put in during weekdays? Regardless that’s a stupid argument, just shows that those activities are getting in the way of you being active and moderating properly therefore, just leave. You become staff to help the community, not yourself.

    also, yeah I realize it’s just a game and i honestly dont care for the game i just argue to see what people have to say, if anything.
     
  2. DaddyPurest

    DaddyPurest Ex-Party Mod

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    I’m not here to speak for any other staff members, just my self. My self, I’m a high school student, I play soccer all over the west coast of the US to be seen by collage scouts and get into collage, I volunteer 4+ hrs evey week because volunteering looks good on collage applications, I have resolved the most reports here on brawl 2 (maybe 3 I don’t remember) months in a row.

    I don’t think that’s a “stupid argument” also who said I wasn’t doing my job properly? I always have the required amount of playing time each month, I am active on the forums, and am active on discord... and if I’m not mistaken, aren’t those he requirements to become staff? I would also like to state that I did add at the bottom of my staff application that I was part of a time consuming soccer club and I was accepted regardless.

    Lastly, I’m not doing this for my self, volunteering is doing something you enjoy while helping others out. *key word helping* others in this case are the community.
     
  3. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Just commenting on the points about reports. They are a great thing to do when you cannot get online ingame. People are still able to report without staff being on, and it's great that the staff team keeps on top of these reports and resolve them (relatively) quickly. I don't see anything wrong with resolving reports, just as long as they don't become a substitute for in game moderating. Them being easy or not is irrelevant imo, but there needs to be a balance between those and in game reports imo - they shouldn't be used to mask prolonged inactivity.
     
  4. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    My point being I expected it to be a substitute for his ingame moderating hours, yeah theres a chance that it isnt but from how some of the staff members are I prefer to assume the negative in any situation involving a staff member.

    I dont have access to the proper tools to check for any of that information, you should also consider how inactive the majority of the staff team has been in the last few months and that could be why you have the highest resolved reports. You said you have the REQUIRED amount but are you just barely reaching that or just reaching it to keep your staff rank? Yet again, more info I cant access. For the most part, any staff member that has a busy life and cant put in as many hours as they once did should simple resign, maybe that statement affects you, maybe it doesn’t.
     
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  5. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    You claim that you don't have the information about his activity, yet you are making all of these claims against certain staff members about their activity. That doesn't seem fair at all to me when not all the information is known. I'm not disagreeing nor agreeing with you, as I don't know what the facts prove, but making these claims is not ok imo.
     
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  6. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    They're close to accurate
     
  7. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    I’d honestly consider some of the things you’ve said but the fact that you’ve recently applied for staff makes me wanna do otherwise. Regardless most of my claims are close to the truth.
     
  8. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Well, I've never been one to fake things or say something to sound good, but you can believe what you want. Im not really saying anything to either side of the situation anyways - just saying that the specific information about a mods activity is hidden from the community, so I don't think its fair to make claims against them. You could be right or wrong, but there isn't any data backing you up at this point which is why I decided to comment. If what you are saying is actually true, then I do think that action should be taken to address the issue. I definitely think the staff team could be handled a little more strict, just to improve the quality of moderating and increase efficiency.
     
  9. DaddyPurest

    DaddyPurest Ex-Party Mod

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    How do you know your claims are close to the truth? You said your self that you don’t have access the necessary documents but you can asume based on your bias. Nothing wrong with that, your entitled to your own opinion but you are now taking your false claims and considering them truth based on what confirmation?
     
  10. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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  11. enderdragon3615

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    I have no information on this subject other than my own observations, so please don't take this post to mean that I understand the situation perfectly. I understand that this post may be considered unfounded with new changes to the staff team! :smile:

    From what I have seen, and I am sorry if I am beating a dead horse, the staff team is lacking two qualities, consistency and maturity. I'll start with consistency. I have heard this said by many people that the amount of time it takes for staff applications to be accepted or rejected is quite a long time. I am sure the problem will become better with the new admins, but I believe there should be a limit to how long an application should remain under review. Perhaps the max time is 2-3 weeks, instead of being measured in months.

    Another area of consistency that needs work is simply rules for the staff themselves, and for them to be enforced. I do not mean that the staff team is lacking rules but either certain rules are not being enforced, but they have never been implemented. First and for most, staff should NOT be allowed to speak out against the staff as a whole. This was an issue a while back, and I am not sure if it still is a problem, but the staff team was showing their discontent to the general player base. Transparency is generally a good thing, however not to that degree or level. If a staff member has an issue they need to take it up with their peers and superiors, and not voice their discontent to the players. Higher up staff especially need to remain consistent when dealing with other staff members, which means listening and taking action within a reasonable period of time.
    Finally, in terms of consistency, staff should have a time limit to how long they remain inactive. Perhaps they can get a larger time allotment if they inform their superiors to their specific circumstance, but a large amount of inactive staff looks really really bad.

    My last point won't be detailed as I think it is pretty self-explanatory. If a staff member is unwilling to resign due to their inactivity, then they were never mature enough to become a staff member. I believe the information on what a staff member does is rather vague and should have more detail for possible applicants, and should be stressed that the purpose of being a staff member is primarily volunteer work. There are perks I am sure, but if a person goes through the application process with misguided notions on the purpose of staff, then they will not be suitable staff members.

    Alright, thanks for reading :smile:
     
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  12. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    cmonBruh if they all resigned if they didnt have the time brawl wouldnt have any staff members because nobody with an understanding of the importance of a volunteer minecraft position is gonna dedicate their time to a volunteer minecraft position
     
  13. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    ngl the fact you were a total dickhead before you came back recently and in the span of a month or two become this perfect guy makes me think you're putting on a fake personality to become staff again because you miss having power, but that's just my opinion ./shrug most people do it so I don't blame you

    jay had school yet still had time, which is one of the points he added in his response. he's not saying everybody should resign, he said the people who don't have the time to efficiently do their job should (which is not the whole staff team, only a few). however, there are also quite a few people on the team who do have the time, but choose to do other things instead of the job they signed up for which was one of my main points on this thread in the first place
    he and myself are friends with quite a few staff/ex-staff members who do have access to this information and have provided it to us, such as jay if you would have bothered to read his response before responding to xion
     
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  14. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Sort of off topic to continue this, but I just want to give my response to this anyways as I think it's important / I want to make my intentions clear.

    The community has every right to believe I am "faking" my personality / change rn, I know, I have changed a lot in the past few months rather drastically. Truth is, believe it or not, I am changing because I want to, not because I want staff or anything else. I truly just want to enjoy my time here, as Brawl has been a great part of my life and I want to keep that part (or at least leave on a positive note when I am ready to fully move on). I put my mind to it and ended some factors that contributed to my behaviour and tried to fix my personal issues and show them on discord during my ban time so I could hopefully get unbanned and recreate my presence in the community in a more positive way. If I get back on the staff team, great, if not, then that's ok and I will be happy to play as just a player. Wanting power has nothing to do with it either, I just genuinely enjoyed being staff / talking to people / having projects / goals to work on. But again, believe as you will and hopefully I can convince the people who do think this way of me that I am being honest about my current behaviour and whatnot.
     
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  15. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    then they resign leaving.... nobody to moderate the server?

    i dont see what everyones point is here. these people are volunteers. if they resign as you say then everyone would complain even more about how there are no staff members

    if everyone here wants staff to be better then apply for staff yourself
     
  16. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    out of the 17 mods, from what I know 3 are inactive do to "irl stuff". that leaves 14 others to moderate the server. if the mods don't do their job when they're able to (banning players), then they can be demoted to jmod again, and then replace them with the current jmods that actually do their jobs well.
    mk
     
  17. DaddyPurest

    DaddyPurest Ex-Party Mod

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    Yikes... fueling a conversation off a “they’re close to accurate.” Is not a good pivot point. But you do you...

    Anyway getting back on topic, the staff team has improved since this thread was created so I would say the upper staff team is making a turn in the right direction.
     
  18. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    yes but there arent enough jmods that care enough about their volunteer position to actively moderate the server
     
  19. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    i’d rather be closer to the truth than closer to the lie it’s actually a fine way fuel the conversation considering that it means some of what i’ve said is close to the full truth
     
  20. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    am I wrong though? I trust jay a lot more than I'd ever trust you, especially because you've lied in the past, or "stretched the truth" at least
    there are quite a few young jmods who would honestly do almost anything to keep their minecraft power rank, including their job to avoid being demoted
     
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