Badlion Anticheat

You wouldn't be able to connect to the server without it.

 

As I said earlier, then you'd just be sacrificing player count.

 

when u think brawl has a player count

 

lol they do, anything above 0 players is a player count, HG being an exception, it might not be the biggest but it has one

 

Last I had checked, the badlion client was only available for windows. (Unless they released a mac or linux(lol) version recently) what about the few of us who can't download the client? And even if you could connect to the server without the client, I'd rather not be held under constant suspicion because I physically can't run the client. (And before someone mentions bootcamp, I shouldn't have to partition my hard drive just to play on a minecraft server). It's a nice idea, but there are some kinks that need to be worked out.

 

Oi

I'm personally not too sure what to think of this client.
For one, there are a number of security vulnerabilities in it. None of them are zero-days, but they amount to quite a risk for the average bob.
Forcing people, especially kids who may not be allowed to install programmes, into using this, will as stated throw the playercount down.
I personally wouldn't even think of using it just due to some of the trust issues that I have with a company like Badlion, plus I'd honestly be scared of being falsely "banned" since I do test clients and from what I understand the programme does scan your PC in a way (may be wrong but I wouldn't be surprised).

 

they do an okay job banning the most blatant cheaters (flying, nkb, etc.). every time I've reported somebody a lot of times nobody even gets on. the amount of times I've reported a war fly hacker with nobody getting on for at least half an hour is incredible

however, mods apparently have zero protocol for xray (for warz and other servers, anyway) and ghost clients, etc. we wouldn't need an anticheat if mods were allowed to screenshare

honestly if people say it's an invasion of privacy, treat it like a real world scenario. if police suspect you of carrying drugs in your car, they're allowed to search your car whether it's an "invasion of privacy" or not. that's how the real world works.

for those who say "this isn't the real world its a minecraft server hurr durr" yeah this is a minecraft server that makes quite a bit of money off of people who want to play the game without cheaters ruining it for them. more cheaters = less money = dead server. a lot of people don't seem to understand this which is pretty worrying imo

but hey what do I know I'm not staff so the higher ups won't take my opinion seriously or give me any attention whatsoever /shrug

 

I don't think you realise what the difference between the real word and 'only minecraft' is here hurr durr.
I mean I can certainly agree, more cheaters leads to less money. But I'm sorry, bringing up 'just treat it like a real world situation' in a privacy discussion...
For the police to actually screenshare or just search through your harddrive, they need a lot of 'evidence' to be even able to go to a judge and request permission to do so. Dunno how it is in your country exactly, also dunno which ridiculous privacy invading laws have been passed during the last 10 years or so but it's not just that easy, even for the police, to just check your harddrive.
Also, most people which handle that stuff are trained and quite knowledgeable, most have no direct connection to your personal life and if they do **** with your data, they'll be in deep **** themselves (at least if everything works out as it should).
All of that just isn't true for brawl mods.
No proper training which could 'officially prove' that they are qualified to do so, much closer connection to the person whose screen's being shared and a much much 'weaker' connection to brawl, they can't be easily held accountable contrary to real police messing up, the most they can get is a demotion and a ban.
I'm sorry to say but bringing up such a comparison as a defence for invading privacy is just ridiculous.

Also to get back on topic again: (so just stating things others have already said)
It'd be a disaster for the player count if it was required. What would be nice tho is if it was required for the match server.

In my personal humble humble opinion: brawl's a business. They are no public organisation.
If a newspaper in Switzerland can require you to be a member of a certain party only to be able to buy their stocks/shares (yup that's a thing apparently), brawl can do whatever they want and prohibit anyone from joining the server for better or for worse, with you being able to do nothing against it, ''but I will screenshare, I don't hack" won't work because they made the rules, it's a private company, they have every right to just keep customers banned from using the service whether or not the customer screams "I'll screenshare". Either losing customers because of false bans or losing customers because of still not banned ghost-clienters, difficult decision for brawl
So to the general idea of making it an optional thing: optional's good.

 

Nowhere in my analogy did I say police search your hardrive. I compared an in real life situation to an in real life solution. Therefore, I compared an online situation to an online situation, which is screensharing. In our country, the only thing needed for a police officer in the U.S. to search a man is a suspicion that that man is doing something illegal such as possession of drugs. Obviously it would be a lot more complicated for a police officer to search through your hardrive or computer as they would need a warrant to get into your house in the first place (unless some exceptions are provided, i.e suspect giving permission).

 

Correct. I just brought it up because that's what it should (or, as I said before, should actually not at all) be compared to, not just searching a car, which has not even anywhere near as much privacy-related stuff in it as a harddrive.

I thought my reading comprehension in English was fine.

Seems like an implicit comparison between real and online world to me tho.

Even if it wasn't meant as a comparison: nowhere was a real arguement for invading privacy.

 

Doesn't matter how much complicated stuff police has to go through, in a certain scenario they're allowed to search your hardrive and/or car. Brawl doesn't allow that. Brawl makes money like an organization/company would by providing entertainment to the players, and if a screenshare protocol is necessary to keep the server alive (which it is), then there should be no debate whatsoever.

 

Might have something to do with the fact that in most cases, if evidence is found, the suspects spend quite some time in jail because they committed a very serious crime.
While brawl just bans a player and allows an unban fee to be payed. Seems quite similar to a minor traffic rule violation to me if we pull up a real world situation again.

Hey, ever thought of applying to be a PR guy for the NSA?

I know, I'm spending (too) much time on the privacy stuff, but how private data is handled is one of the most central questions of the 21st century.

Again, as others may have pointed out:
Not everyone is even able to screenshare, maybe due to their parents or technical restrictions.
I wouldn't be too surprised if there are more hackers which are willing to screenshare (just because they prepared for it and think they're safe, bypasses will sadly probably always be a thing) than there are legit players which are willing to screenshare.
But, again, as for the client: as long as it's optional, good.

 

Hi I have a fix for everything

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There are loads of external ac's that can still be used on client side anti cheats, the only way to reduce hackers by partnering with Badlion Client is making it required for use to play on brawl wich is a bad idea in general. If there is an other way of this though(I have no idea cause I'm not really into client side anti cheats) its always worth a try +0 if there's no possible way +1 if someone finds a way that its not enforced to play on.