Idea [ReadMe] Elf is still bad lul (also chemist jump boost?lul) & necro?Lul, +credit use?

Oooh boy this is fun

This is what I am meaning when I talk about the class should be considered as a whole, rather than evaluating each abilities strength by itself. Let's imagine if wind element was as strong as soldier wallclimb, water was as strong as medic heal, and pure was as strong as archer - why would you play the other classes? Elf would outshine all the other classes by having the best mobility in the game, the best healing in the game, and incredibly high damage potential.

Soldier's mobility is the main part of its kit - it's the reason why you pick the class, so naturally it should be the best at being mobile. With elf, however, you aren't really the best at anything, but you are above average at most things, which when put together make the class worthwhile playing.

For example, my vortex isn't as strong as my defensive medic trapping enemies in webs, but I can do more damage than my defensive medic. My damage isn't as strong as my defensive pyro, but I have more mobility to catch up to flag carriers than my defensive pyro. My mobility doesn't allow me to catch up to flag carriers as well as my defensive ninja, but I have more crowd control than my defensive ninja -and so on.

Elf is a jack-of-all-trades, so it doesn't make sense to compare its abilities to a class which excels at only one.

I'm not "worried" about buffing elf (who would complain about a buff to one of their mains) and yes it is down the priority list. I'm saying that if people invest time into the class and consider it in its entirety rather than one narrow playstyle, it definitely does not need as big a buff as some are calling for.

True for some more than others, yeah. Some classes I would consider as having a 'main' ability or purpose (soldier, heavy, assassin, medic for example) whereas others do definitely require multiple to be used together, as you mentioned (mage for sure, chemist, ninja to an extent)

The issue I see is that people are too willing to treat elf's abilities as separate, rather than complimentary. If I'm wanting ninja eggs to be nerfed, it's not because I think they are too strong when a ninja throws 10 at me and then just walks away, its when a ninja throws some at me constantly while hitting me in the face to a point where I can't hit it back. Likewise, I don't like the argument of "pure's not easy to hit, elf sucks" when the kit is designed in a way where pure should be used alongside the vortex. If people were saying "I vortex people and shoot them with pure and fly away a bit and shoot them with pure again but they still kill me easily", then I'd be much more in favour of a buff, because they are using the full extent of the kit and it is still not working well.

There aren't really any "complicated ways", vortex into pure is the only major combo. Everything else can be used when the situation arises or as people become more comfortable with the class. A high skill-cap class isn't for everyone and I'm not saying elf should be for everyone (it is a niche class for sure), but some prefer playing more difficult classes than easier ones. Why do you play Thresh when Blitz achieves a similar goal while being easier to play?

I've played him once and found him pretty average. People have different tastes I guess.

This seems pretty subjective. I feel satisfied if I save my flag-carrier from a pyro frenzy or a headshot which would have killed them. I feel satisfied if I trap enemies in a vortex and my team follows up on the kill. I feel satisfied if I throw a water element on my pyro and they survive being attacked by a ninja.

Again pretty subjective. I don't play much Thresh because I don't find him enjoyable, but I've taken the time to become good alright at elf - because I find it enjoyable to play. I feel like I am doing something with elf (even though I would definitely be trolling everyone if I played Thresh)

I don't think elf has to have a majority playing it for it to be considered balanced.

35% accuracy is pretty good for an average player who has recently picked up elf. Maybe that is bumped up to 50-60% once the player plays the class more, which is reasonably strong considering other benefits of the class. If an elf is hitting 80% of their pure shots, elf likely has the highest damage output in the game, whilst being a mobile support class (whatever you want to call it).

A water element buff would be cool. I'm talking about nerf/buff tradeoffs because there was a thread posted by the committee asking for whether the vortex should be nerfed and if it should, how so. (https://www.brawl.com/threads/72334/ ) The majority voted to nerf elf.

I think my point about elf countering archer has been misunderstood. I'm not talking about killing the archer. I'm talking about blocking headshots from hitting the flag-carrier for the time it takes for a ninja to kill the archer.

Scape made a point about how killing the archer would be more effective than blocking the shots. I agree with this, but there are situations where the archer is out of reach/ has crept up unnoticed / is being protected by teammates where elf could serve as a better counter.

I agree with all of these. (I would like to point out that the vortex and the water were reworked, whereas all of these suggestions I would consider tweaks)

Sure, but the effectiveness of elf increases far more quickly with time played than, say, heavy.

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My pantheons are useless at all stages of the game

I haven't taken your whole post word-for-word, as a lot of it seems satirical, but I've tried to respond to your main points.

 

Elf only really has a few decent options because its so damn weak.
•Spam the flag carrier with wind element (useless against the most annoying class in the game ninja)
•Spam players with pure element
(Difficult to pull off unless your lucky af or a god with a bow, only useful at short range)
•Spam yourself with the wind element
(Fly awaaaaaay, break awaaaaaaaaaaay)
•Spam block with your sword
(Watch as archers patiently wait for you to finish crouching like a moron and mages to immediately switch to their lightning spell! At least you can mildly annoy a chemist by reflecting their ID potions)
•shoot some water once every 3 years (seriously that recharge time is horrible)
All while constantly melting like butter to any class with a high DPS (Pyro, Ninja, Chemist, Heavy, Dwarf when on offense, Engineer)

Seriously, unless you are a god at pvp or capping, then the only useful tactics are spamming.

 

Ok, I agree with your previous points on how shooting the carrier with wind and spamming wind is an effective thing to do and also that mage is highly annoying with lightning. As a class that has three bows, and previously four, you are going to see alot of shooting of elements *Because that's what the class was made for*. However I do disagree that you think the class is weak, as keeping players still for a free 6 hearts of damage shot is really powerful, which can be chained. Again the larger the experience, the better the class is going to be for you. You also talked about how classes melt you like butter on offence, which I totally agree what should happen as the class was based around mobility and keeping a distance with opponents and not being a tank. If they made it so as elf had great armour, then you would have a high mobility/tank on a team.
I would like to hear your thoughts on how to improve elf, maybe a sharpness increase? thanks.

 

U think???


(this is a joke, chemist jump boost is not that great)