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Idea Elf

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Kayrex, Jun 22, 2018.

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Would you like to see these changes?

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  1. Kayrex

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    Alright, hello everyone and welcome to niko's thread about how bad elf is as of now, and how it can improve!
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    ok so, first of all -
    W h a t, h a v e, y o u, d o n e, t o, e l f.
    I mean like seriously, you give elf sharpness 1 instead of 2, gives it one level more of protection, adds regeneration to the water element, replacing the bounce thingy with vortex which is way too op and then boom, you have the most annoying class in the game.


    Wind element (Vortex) -
    I am not sure if you know it or not yet, but this ability is spammable, and has caused several extreme-heated arguements between players.
    The thing is that every 2 seconds, you are able to pull your bow-string backwards, shoot the damn arrow and make your opponent not capable of moving. This is like literally one of the most overpowered abilites within the game, atleast in my opinion as you can kill an enemy with support in like less than 5 seconds. (with other teammates attacking them of course)
    Vortex + pure + pure repeat is insanely strong by itself, and basically can't be dodged nor countered. (unless you're a ninja.) So instead of making it eXtRemeEly OP, just remove the damn 'hey you're mine now, i won't let you go anywhere' ability, and replace it with the old one. The old one is way more fun to use, and is less annoying, + it can be more useful in several areas of the map. (make them bounce of the map X D)

    Water element -
    Imo, the water element is fine as it is rn. Although the only thing is that you get resistance and regen II only.
    If strength I were to be applied it would make it a lot easier to escape flag rooms and easier to survie in general by just using the water element.

    Pure element -
    Ok, this is where it starts to become interesting.
    The ability itself is not too OP, but if you combine it with the vortex you'll end up dying no matter what.
    Therefore nerfing the vortex and adding back the old wind element would be an option, but nerfing the pure element could also be one.
    If you land 1 shot on a person, they'll gain Slowness I for 0.5 seconds i believe-
    If you land 2 shots on a person they will recieve Slowness I for 1 second and lose 6 hearts.
    Make it so that when you hit them once, they will recieve Wither I for 2 seconds instead of slowness.
    And so if you hit them twice, it'll deal 3.5 hearts of true damage instead of 6, and they'll also gain Wither II for 1.5 seconds, Slowness I for 2 seconds and Blindness I for 1 second.
    This would make it less OP combined with the vortex and a more funny and enjoyable ability to use combined with the Strength I implemented in the water element. (Hit them twice, kill them with your sword) It would also stop the insane amount of pure spamming.

    Earth element -
    This can stay gone.



    Loadout -
    Elf is currently equipped with leather boots (protection 2), leather leggings (protection 2), and a leather chestplate (protection 3) as armor, a wooden sword, the pure element, steak, wind element and the water element for damage / abilities. (My loadout)
    If the class is supposed to be used for defence / midfield / recovery, it'll need a slight buff.
    Pure spamming has been the reason behind most of the elf recovery you see in-game. This is extremely annoying, so instead of spamming you should just be able to give them a bunch of potion effects (the ones that are listed above) and make it easier to catch up, for not only you but also your team.
    Also, elf is basically useless in 1v1's where you can't bowspam. Give the sword Sharpness II instead of I, and replace the leather chestplate and the leather leggings with chainmail, though the protection will lower by a level.
    This will make it a lot easier to take on bulky classes such as a soldier or a heavy which has the flag. The class will also be extremely more useful for recovery or defence.

    Personally, i play elf for offence, and it takes an extreme amount of skill to even get out of the flag room. (unless they have like no one defending.) So giving it the armor buff would also make it easier to capture and steal the flag.


    Expected changes -
    Pure element spamming should be removed.
    Defending, recovering and offending should be easier.
    The class will be more funny and enjoyable to play.

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  2. Northernlreland

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    Ok well first off you say how the class is bad at the start and then go on to give reasons how to nerf it.

    The wind vortex is ok, yes it is highly annoying, but because it is annoying, it does not make it extremely OP. Ninjas and soldiers can easily escape it and spamming it wastes the elf's arrows extremely quickly.

    Water element should be left the way it is or a slight regen or cooldown buff, strength 1 shouldnt be needed as you normally have strength from buffs anyway.

    Ok so combining wind and pure shots does not always garuntee a kill, first off the pure shot can still be missed as you can move to a side during the vortex and players tend to "bounce". Not only this but again pairing pure spam shots with vortex drains the arrows extremely fast.

    I personally liked the earth element as a ninja killer, but I'll not get into detail xD

    I agree with the sword buff and think it is needed, but as far as armour goes it should be kept the same. My reasoning is that elf was made for mobility, and if you can't dodge hits and move around your oppenent, then it isnt the armours fault, but yours. Buffing the armour again would make elf even more powerful, as you would have something bulky that would have extreme mobility which would be broken.

    I also think the elf shield should be activated/deactivated while you are PvPing (With the same XP bar) as the shield now is Ok, but the activate/deactivate shield has a far better use.

    Expected changes -
    Pure element spamming should be removed. - It should stay
    Defending, recovering and offending should be easier. - doesn't need to be easier
    The class will be more funny and enjoyable to play. - Only thing not enjoyable about it is not being able to spam old wind at people and blow em back xD, also the rage messages are priceless.

    Cheers for readin ma reply, have a good one - EYA upa wa la :wink:
     
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  3. EmperorTrump45

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    elf is bad, let's nerf it
     
  4. Kayrex

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    Ok so first
    I never asked for a nerf to the whole class. Just some parts of it.
    And elf isn’t just made for mobility. What are you going to do with mobility on defence? what’s the point of having a class which is useless in every area except one. Elf is one of the weakest classes within the game in all areas, so the armor buff would help a lot, not just for defence but also for recovery and offending. It takes a big amount of skill to even learn how to use the wind-element. I mean, most players which are new to elf, basically just walks into enemies and ruin their KDR.

    Usually, when you have them in the vortex they’re dead. Atleast anyone with a decent aim is able to kill you if they’ve trapped you. And if they try to run away you’ll just vortex them once again. This is how most people play defencively with elf, as of rn, and is extremely annoying. If you get in the flag room while an elf and a pyro is there, you are dead. no matter what. Making elf more of a pvp and skill class instead of a spamming one, (i am aware that it needs an insane amount of skill to offend with it) would make it less heated and keep the toxicity away.
    Therefore, adding the old wind element which is uselss if you spam it, would be a good replacement for vortex.

    And whats the point of spamming when you can be more bulky and take on other classes easier.
    did you even read the thread?
     
  5. Northernlreland

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    What are you going to do with mobility on defence? what’s the point of having a class which is useless in every area except one.

    You use elf for offence so you think that elf can only be used in one area. You then go later on to say that people shooting wind and puring defencively is annoying. If its annoying then how is it useless and not effective? Mage is probably the most "annoying" class to come up against, but would I say it's bad or extremely OP? Nah.

    Making elf more of a pvp and skill class

    Well for a start elf takes the most skill out of all the classes to get a hold of and I PvP all the time with it. You then say how the class is "Toxic" but what you have to realise is, it is the people that are against elf and start writing complains and "heating" things are doing it themselves, not the class.

    And whats the point of spamming

    The whole class was made around mobility and keeping the enemy at a distance and being annoying, so therefore spamming has a point.
     
  6. Kayrex

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    I never said that it can just be used in one area, i said that it is useless in the others.
    If a class is so weak that you have to spam with it to actually manage to get a kill, it definitily needs a buff to the armor / weapons to stop it.


    you basically just said that an annoying classes is the most overpowered, and then you call mage annoying but not op??? i'm a bit confused.
    Also, it doesn't necessarily need to be annoying to be powerful. Take a buffed heavy as an example. It's not annoying, but it's very hard to go up against. You'll most likely end up dying.

    I am aware that elf takes an insane amount of skill to master completely, but to ease it up a bit and make it more balanced, atleast give it chain leggings instead of leather.


    I guess this is why you always die X D JK lol!
    If you're running into a 1v1 with elf against basically any other class, you'll most likely end up dying. (unless you're like WhySneak or jeaton lol)




    I'm not saying that elf is a bad class or anything, I'm just pointing out what i think should be re-considered.
     
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  7. Northernlreland

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    I never said that it can just be used in one area, i said that it is useless in the others.

    So.. it can only be used in one area, lol.

    you basically just said that an annoying classes is the most overpowered, and then you call mage annoying but not op??? i'm a bit confused.


    i can tell, when did I ever say that the annoying classes are the most overpowered? nowhere. I also didn't say that mage wasnt OP, I said that it isnt BAD or EXTREMELY op. You were referring in your previous comment that elf can only be used on offence, and I was saying if it is bad at defence etc, then why is there a need to nerf pure and vortex? Hope this concludes your confusion

    but to ease it up a bit and make it more balanced, atleast give it chain leggings instead of leather.

    Again, elf doesn't need eased up and buffed more as it is fine the way it is, an elf on defence can do extreme damage and confusion to offending players. Buffing armour again takes the mobility factor out of elf.

    If you're running into a 1v1 with elf against basically any other class, you'll most likely end up dying.

    Only way an elf can die is to a mage or ninja, or taking extreme amounts of damage at once, which is impossible if you keep the players 10 blocks away from you.

    I'm not saying that elf is a bad class or anything

    Let me remind you that the title of this is has "Alright, hello everyone and welcome to niko's thread about how bad elf is as of now"
    Haha, have a good day
     
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  8. lasertagfighter

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    I think Elf, IMO, should be able to shoot through teammates to actually be useful in enclosed spaces. Elf is better now than it was before, except maybe the sharpness decrease...

    Elf is a support/high damage class, not a class you want to go in guns blazing with.

    Play CTF for a few more years, you'll get the hang of Elf.
     
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  9. Kayrex

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    I’ve been playing for 4 years pal
    And i main elf.
     
  10. Deppuccino

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    Elf is first and foremost an all-position support class. The extreme direct damage potential is good, but pure takes a lot of skill to chain if you're not 3 blocks away, whilst the potential indirect damage from vortex (which is not OP btw, as it takes 3 seconds of recharge + the time to charge up your bow in between shots, and soldiers and ninjas easily escape it) makes its role on defense a supportive class. Now, for offence: Elf capping is not that hard. The trick to it is to go in while they're not looking, steal the flag and get out quickly, and use the terrain to your advantage. Once you get the hang of it, it's really easy to get out and make it across the map given a very common circumstance of more than 1 offensive player on your team. But, of course, if that was the premise of Elf, it wouldn't get buffs like Water element, and that's because Elf's offensive role is again as a supportive class. You water the enemy flagroom to eliminate Pyro's threat and give extra buffs, another player goes in and gets out, you vortex their recov to slow them down, and eventually it's a cap. All-in-all, it's not a case of Elf needing a rework, it's just a case of using the class right.
     
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  11. Northernlreland

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    Couldn't agree more, Deppuccino.
     
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