Idea Ninja Evaluation: Just Nerf Ninja already

For a really long time I've been a fan of CTF as after finishing my work or during my break I would hop on to play CTF when ever I can. However the thing that ruins my fun the most is ninja and a lot of people do agree on this but, ninja lovers are pretty much protecting it and say "It's balance". In term of which I'm going to evaluate ninja today after evaluating it for a months now so yeah let's begin

Before we start I'm gonna be discarding these following factors in this evaluation since it's pretty obvious
- Should be leave alone because they decided to keep it the way it is
- It does has limited resources


I'm gonna start off by telling why I think ninja is broken. So first let's see its class details.
- Golden Sword (Sharpness V, that hit as hard as diamond sword)
- Teleportation Sphere (aka the Ender Pearl which is pretty much unlimited except you take damage)
- 10 Flashbombs (Blind people and gives them nausea)
- 64 Invisibility Powder (You think invis isn't broken? Well, I'll explain)
- No Armor but, it's pretty pointless since it still doesn't make ninja any less broken
- Self regen upon shift+right click sword
- Speed 2 (Gives it reach)

So, why is it broken? I mean the sword itself is pretty broken along with the speed that gives it slightly more reach. Teleportation Sphere that has no cooldown but damage, which self regen defeats that cons in 2-3 seconds. Flashbombs which just blind and make your reach in attack slgihtly less which makes it even harder to kill a ninja. Invisible powder which is limited and runs out quick and can't be use if you hit your enemy which would be balance if only the recharge for that would be slightly more because currently that recharge is around 2-3 seconds, and also they don't appear from invisibility even if they take damage, the only time they would is either their invisible powder runs out, or they decides to show up again or they die that's it.

But, I mean all class is broken in its own way but, ninja is more broken than the others. Why? I've compare the number do cons ninja has, and compare to the other ninja cons pretty much did nothing to it. Some of it cons even boost it in a way.

As we all know all class has a con, which make it balance except for ninja *ahem* and I'm gonna be listing out all the current class up to date cons (so if any class changes is made in the future of the date this thread was made, it will be invalid against the argument made up to this date) and how they'll do against ninja.

Before I list the following cons and Versus I will be deregarding these following cons and Versus factors since it applies to all the classes anyway
- Limited supplies (defeat thanks for medic)
- Skills, Im gonna be using the standard

Spoiler: Heavy

- No skills, pretty basic and bad for noob pvper

Vs. Ninja
- Pretty much a stalemate, but still the ninja would likely win since Heavy will have a hard time retaliating ninjas reach and flashbomb. Even if Heavy won the fight, ninja can still comeback and finish off the Heavy easily

Spoiler: Soldier

- Recharge on climb (EXP BAR)
- Must have a block to click on

Vs. Ninja
- If the soldier gets hit by them eggs, the clsss can easily hop up to avoid being attack in the dark, but however it would give ninja the time to regenerate and go invis to attack the soldier from the dark again

Spoiler: Medic

- Recharge on them snowballs
- Loses to heavy hitter
- Needs to be around teammate to be useful
- Will be target in a fire fight if people are not stupid to realize that Medic is gonna play the most part in helping the opponent team

Vs. Ninja
- Will probably loses because Medic will have a hard time atleast trapping ninjas in them webs.
- Loses to hard hitter aka. Ninja the speedy, blinding, self regen and invisible Heavy

Spoiler: Archer

- Must be over 30 blocks to 1 hit KO
- Stone sword, pretty bad melee comparing to other classes that have ateast Iron Sword decency (except for Elf but, that's a different story)
- Bow charge time to 1 hit KO (arrow needs to travel far)
- Decent armor but, pretty bad while fighting classes with melee

Vs. Ninja
- Archer won't be able to use its best traits in the combat against ninja since ninja are basically melee
- Very dependent on aim, blinding archer can easily take care of them
- Bad Armor to protect against Ninja's sword (Diamond sword damage on chain armor, think about it)

Spoiler: Assassin

- Recharge on Assassinate
- Bad Protection (Gold Boots duh)
- Lose to block
- Side effect of Assassinate (1 hit by anything no matter what, medic web can even kill it, but not by fire for some reason)

Vs. Ninja
- Attempt assassinate will fail since you can already assume that Assassin will use Assassinate the moment then run at you, even if they just there to hit Ninja, Ninja can easily go invisible and strafe and if Assassin would use Assassinate, it can just go invisible and hit Assassin with its invis powder, and that is all it takes

Spoiler: Chemist

- Recharge on juice to use pot (EXP bar)
- Each potions use different amount of EXP, very situational and must be experience to use each potions efficiently
- Pots can hit the user or teammates
- Buff pots such as Heal or Regen in a fight can also buff the person you're fighting

Vs. Ninja
- Pretty equal since both can last as long around each other. Chemist have that amazing Heal while Ninja have that self heal and ability to run away and recover. It's pretty much all down to how fast one of them can kill each other
- Chemist can use splash damage or poison to damage invisible ninja in the area but, still can run away and come back to finish off the fight

Spoiler: Dwarf

- Must hold shift + block to get buff (as if it's not slow enough)
- Slowness.....
- Only useful for defense (wouldn't survive longer than a minute out in the field, especially archer)
- Some map flag room is big, making it hard for Dwarf to keep close when getting knock around
- Without medic, it'll eventually die and have to regain all that buff again

Vs. Ninja
- Dwarf would win the fight thanks to it being able to 1 hit the ninja (It can already do massive damage to Heavy if it have good buffs)
- If the fight is at the flag and the ninja's intention of being there is the flag well, the Dwarf will technically loses because 1 egg is enough to knock and blind to keep the Dwarf busy enough to give time for the Ninja to quickly grab and go (imagine egg spam.....). Dwarf will technically lose because it fails to do its job

Spoiler: Elf

- Got nerfed boisssssssssssss
- Lose it's Earth Element thanks to nerf (now combine with Pure Element)
- Bow pull time
- Air Elements using 2 arrows and recharge
- Water Element high recharge time
- Air Element left click uses 2 arrow
- Decent but, worse than others melee Weapons

Vs. Ninja
- Elf would get destroy since it's strong point is it's Element, which would be pretty hard to aim with a ninja constantly hitting you.
- Leather armor makes Elf really vulnerable to Ninja's sword (7 DMG that's Diamond Sword!?!?!!!!!!!)

Spoiler: Engineer

- Without it's cake it's dead
- *RESTRICTED AREA* IN PLACES THAT WOULD BE USEFUL
- Targetted by practically the whole team (I have lots of experience from this)
- Pretty much useless at this point since it can't achieve much
- Easily kill by archer from far since it had to stay near its sentry

Vs. Ninja
- The only thing I find Engineer useful for is for killing Ninja since 3 shots from the turret kills a Ninja, even better it auto aim even if they're invisible which is GUDDDDDDDDD. However simultaneous attack from Ninja will eventually cut out the cake supply and turret isn't unlimited. Also you would become a thread and be target by the majority of enemy teams, but if it's a head on head Engineer would do a pretty good job killing ninja.
- Still turret can't be build everywhere, Ninja will just go around or go beyond the turret range and you're pretty much useless now

Spoiler: Mage

- Each spell recharge time
- No melee (vulnerable to sneak attack from Assassin since can't block)
- Bad Armor (vulnerable to high damage attack)

Vs Ninja
- No doubt normal skill Mage will definitely lose to Ninja because of ninja's high damage and melee, forcing Mage to not be able to use much of its spell
- If playing with lots of people, 70% will use Ninja especially now and you would do a really bad job out there

Spoiler: Necro

- *RESTRICTED AREA* IN PLACE THAT WOULD BE USEFUL
- Retarded Minions
- Depends on Killstreak and long living
- Low Damage, depends on the Retarded Minions
- Needs to do Damage to buff, which is hard

Vs. Ninja
- Necro would be fish out of water against Ninja because of its low damage, however Minions can detect invis Ninja but, if Ninja move out of range of your Retarded Minion then you would likely lose the fight

Spoiler: Pyro

- Enemy needs to be on fire to do high damage
- Fire Bow needs full charge to set fire on enemy
- No sword (Vulnerable to assassin)

Vs Ninja
- Pyro for some reason should've been the counter for ninjas invis, yet they won't reveal once on fire
- Pyro needs to pull back its bow if it's gonna have more chance to hit Ninja with it, this makes Pyro really vulnerable

Spoiler: Ninja

- Damage from Teleportation Sphere (Self regen defeats the point of Teleportation sphere recoil)
- 2-3 Seconds invis recharge if you hits someone (which doesn't really change much since ninja can swiftly run away)

Vs Ninja
- Who's more skill just wins this one basically

So why is Ninja so OP? Its condition doesn't even change a thing about it since it's condition can easily be ignore or get rid of. Every other class have conditions that makes it vulnerable and open for attacks except for Ninja. Ninja basically has no cons and any vulnerable weaknesses, this is unfair since all premium class have its condition to make it balance, except for Ninja which has no condition at all

I am very dissapointed in the choice made by developer and especially admins and mod since I was heard that most of them are protecting ninja. Most ninja user is doing the same and called it "not broken" and should not be nerf so they can enjoy using a broken class. I'm very disappointed in this selfish desire and I hope you can agree with my reasoning. Like there's just a little changes that need to be made to make Ninja balance but, still keep its trait like
- Lower sword sharpness to be equivalent to Iron
- Invis powder can't be use when getting damage by enemy
- Reveal invis when is damage or hit

Thank you for your time, this took me like 45 minutes and hope it's worth

Thank you and have a good day

I'm gonna be expecting lots of hate

 

I've mentioned that I'm gonna be using a regular player as a base in this evaluation, would they be able to predict that much like a pro?

Okay I might've been using the wrong wording abit bad in the end because I started using the word "OP" when I shouldn't have been

The correct word here would be unbalance. Like sure, you can 2-3 shots a ninja but, if we look at the class performance throughout the whole game, it's pretty much is unbalance.

Okay you kill a ninja, cool and you almost die and you won but, still that just gives the ninja more advantage because it can just pearl back and finish you off with its full stock now. Like it doesn't even matter how easy it is to kill, it will still easily come back and with full power and you're just put in a more disadvantage position because you've already used up your resource, buying time to make it longer for the other team to get the flag, but ninja that defeats that purpose and now your defense is weaker and when you know it, ninja cap or it's teammate cap

What gives ninja so much of the advantage is their travel time in a distance. Most class walks and ninja can teleport. Even if Ninja walk, it'll still be faster than the other class.

You've mention ninja lose it's Sharpness 6, like, that is Diamond Sword Sharpness 1, which if we look at Ninja alone, it isn't unbalance, but if we compare it with the other classes, then Ninja is unbalanced.

Half of the classes out there have a pretty weak Armor if going against the ninja's sword, classes like Mage, Pyro, Assasin and Elf are basically dead in 2-3 hits, same as the hit it takes to kill a ninja but that is worse because they have to take time to travel back to where they were, unlike ninja which is done in an instant.

I used to be okay with ninja costing 10k because a class at that much power and capability should be hard to get but, low and behold they make it 2k which I am happy with this update since we nons can get classes now, except for ninja.

It just makes other class seems priceless because, which class are you gonna get, the more powerful one for a cheap price, or the less powerful one for a cheap price. And of course most beginner would go with a pretty powerful broken one and when you know it, there's like 5 ninjas running around the map and you can't do anything because you can't see them and they attack as a group.

Ninjas take 2-3 hits to kill, TRY DOING THAT WHEN YOURE FIGHTING AGAINST 3 or atleast 1 of any class and Ninja sneak attack you. They're janitor they are good for finishing off busy people

 

Then what after you kill it? It comes back easily to finish you off and you didn't make any progress because you made it even more powerful even