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Mutterings from someone who should have quit a while ago

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by asplshofcitrus, Sep 25, 2018.

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is ctf real life

  1. sometimes

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  2. uh

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  1. asplshofcitrus

    asplshofcitrus water "water taste is two words not one" taste

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    Angry mother sends poorly written letter into the ocean because she is sleep deprived


    I like to call ctf a bad habit. I have about 83 days of playtime on this game and not even half of it is actually of me playing the game. That's on mcpvp and brawl together. I've lost the want to actually try to play the game, and a large part of it is probably because of night time ctf. But I still come online at least once a week anyways, because it's something I've done for years now.

    I rarely play ctf during the day due to working, sleep schedules, etc. And as a late night player, I'm well acquainted with the "friendly players" of ctf. I've played these times since I first started, and it was never full of "friendlies," at least not the servers I played on. And I understand, I've grown up and matured(slightly) and I've definitely outgrown this game. The only reason I have stayed for so long is because of the community and the friends I've made in it.

    I hardly play ctf seriously anymore for longer than one game, the majority of the time I stand around as a friendly player, and I think that's an okay thing to do. I'm not impeding the gameplay or getting in the way unless @Signifies pearls into my face, so there shouldn't be an issue. People who want to play seriously can either kill me or play around me. I don't care either way. And there are good friendly players out there.

    But what is a problem is the "friendly players" who go around and do the exact opposite. Sitting near the enemy flag as medic - fine. But then they ***** and moan when someone who is playing the game kills them. "FRIENDLY MEDICS" who then go and web the other team or help their capper get out of the flagroom and then STILL complain when they get killed the next time they "chill in the enemy flagroom".

    Night time "friendlies" are just as bad. Since the night community is very small, they all know each other by username and very rarely play the game at all. And that's okay. But what isn't okay is when they target any new player who is just trying to play the game. Because it interferes with their casual ctf gameplay, the same night ctfers target and spawn camp any new player until they eventually leave the game and never come back. Hence why the night ctf community is so small.

    Because some regulars want so badly to just sit around in the beautiful maps that are provided, anyone trying to play the game is immediately punished until they either A Start playing friendly, or B leave the game and never come back. Because who wants to sit around and get killed by the same guy who is obviously better than you and just wants to show off. There are plenty of other gamemodes on plenty of other servers where you won't get spawn camped, so why stay on this one.

    When I first started I was never punished for playing the game's objective. Six years later I'm still here.

    Sure there are other issues to the game that I really can't be bothered to type out. This is just something that I think about whenever I come online and find the same things happening over and over again. It's something that I think is really hurting the server and has been for a while now. We lose a significant amount of players because some people can't just target in kitpvp.

    We lose players not only because a large amount of the playerbase no longer plays the game's objective, but also because too many new players are kept out from playing the game at all.
     
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  2. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    I'd love to look into a way to fix this. I feel like I've seen several new players on every time I'm on later at night (not super late, but maybe 11 or 12EST). I really want to help these new players have a good time with the game whenever they come to play. That's how you grow a playerbase.
    I'm just really not sure how we would go about it though - completely getting rid of the ability to be friendly (however hypothetical it is right now) would probably make the regulars mad. I understand that side of it, too. You come home and you wanna just chill.
    Unfortunately I don't have a suggestion atm to fix it for both parties. But I'll try to think of something and you guys can, too, and tell me if you think of anything!
     
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  3. StormNox

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    I have only 1 rule concerning myself being friendly. That rule is that i do not care if you steal my team's flag or if you kill @asplshofcitrus or Impeaceful or some other person i am friends with. But i will assist them in killing you if you do attack me. I only try to cap once every 100 maps so people i am friendly with have no actual reason to attack me unless they really think that the map i am trying to cap on is Beaver Creek or Airlock. I am a ctf pacifist, i hate unnecessary violence unless the person is obviously intent on killing me and there is no method of convincing them to be friendly. Most people have all the classes so there is no actual reason to cap unless you are stat hungry or you like the thunder that occurs when you capture. If there is a reward for capturing apart from credits then people would play the objective.
     
  4. Icarus_82

    Icarus_82 Well-Known Member

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    This is absolutely a huge problem which is incredibly harmful for the game, but I see it happening all the time whenever I play late at night. Imo the whole deal of being friendly/ tryharding / friendly but tryharding when the other team isn't looking is kinda just something that can be annoying, but doesn't really mean much in the end as everyone just has different objectives. What citrus is saying shouldn't be overlooked - a random heavy with 300 ping will long on and swing their sword at anything, then a regular will kill them over and over right outside of spawn while flaming them in chat. Brawl loses a potential player every single time this happens.

    I honestly can't think of any solution to fix this problem besides killing the regular who is targetting the new player or help the new player to kill the regular - but then that means you get looked down upon for killing a "friendly"
     
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  5. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    Splashy you have a big face its impossible to pearl past. I really only have one rule. Don't steal the flag. If you steal the flag or I see you helping someone steal the flag, I'm going to objectively play the game and remove you from the flag room.

    As for the late night randoms, they tend to talk a lot of ****. There's a phrase "don't talk **** if you can't take the hit."
    If you don't want to die 300 times, don't call someone ez after you kill them once in ten, or do something cheesy like sniping spawn. I really have no problem if they're quiet, and I especially like answering questions if they're asked.

    10/10 interesting thread +1
     
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  6. Magnificent

    Magnificent Dallas Fuel

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    imagine trying to be friendly in whats meant to be a competitive team game,, lol,,
     
  7. Pizze

    Pizze Well-Known Member

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    I look at tab and look at some names I've never seen before.
    Usually there is a IGN that isn't hard to forget, sometimes because its long af, sometimes because you have no idea how to pronounce it.

    THEN I STALK THAT PLAYER
    In tab to see if they are on again :grinning:
    You see them week after week AND SEE THEM DEVELOP and understand the game.

    Then they get better at killing the "regulars"
    And eventually someone gets pissed and targets them until they never show up again and I cry ;(

    I should write a book.

    I agree with you though, problem with me is that I usually feel like I'm wasting my time killing them
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    They are with more so I would get 4v1'd

    Lets quit this game
     
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  8. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I think the best solution would just be giving staff members more leniency when it comes to punishing. We have a strict set of rules that staff must follow, and we have to enforce these rules without at all taking into consideration if people are actually harming the game. If a group of regulars are intentionally targeting someone and it's clearly making the game worse for them, staff should be given the leniency required to punish for this, even though it doesn't explicitly break the rules.

    Instead of having a strict protocol and a strict set of rules to follow, staff should be trusted to decide when and how to punish players based on whether or not they're causing harm. Rules should be treated as guidelines to follow, and protocol on how staff should punish should not be strictly defined. Yes, it is unprofessional, but there is such a wide range of gamemodes on Brawl that we can't make rules and protocol for every single situation and besides, we're a small Minecraft server, not a corporation.

    Oh and I'll clarify 4 things:
    • The above is relevant to regulars targeting new players or other players constantly, clearly causing them harm. It's not relevant to people just being friendly (or "friendly").
    • Players should always receive a warning before being punished, except in very extreme circumstances.
    • There should be a group of experienced and active staff members who players can report staff to, who will decide if the staff's judgement was correct. These staff shouldn't be SMod+, it should be staff who are currently active in-game and have a lot of experience on the staff team.
    • If you're thinking that this'll cause you to accidentally get punished for things - as long as you have a slight amount of common sense, you shouldn't accidentally do something which'll get you punished.

    This would help with a lot of situations around Brawl as well.
     
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  9. scapezar

    scapezar Ex-Ban/Appeal Manager | Ex-Hack Test Manager

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    just be nice to the noobies, accidentally 'scroll' to ur steak instead of ur sword, give them a boost when they have the flag, etc xP

    if they have fun, i have fun tbh, hate to be a party pooper for my little noobies cuz if it's just 5-10 ppl left on a server then im sad
     
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  10. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    we lose players because class updates don't exist and when they do they're all nerfs :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

    also minecraft is dead. play fortnite. or you can queue in league w/me (XDDDDD)
     
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  11. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Isn't League pretty dead though?

    Plus Fortnite is still less popular than Minecraft purely from a player perspective ;_;
     
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  12. scapezar

    scapezar Ex-Ban/Appeal Manager | Ex-Hack Test Manager

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    :sick: wheres the roblox option, id rather play that

    #deadgamesmatter ??!
     
  13. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    go play with ur kinex nerd
     
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  14. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    League isn't dead in the slightest. It's not quite as much as it was at its peak (I think?) but there are still a lot of players.
     
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  15. Pizze

    Pizze Well-Known Member

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    why boost them when u can kill them so u get 30 credits :money_mouth::money_mouth::money_mouth:
     
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  16. scapezar

    scapezar Ex-Ban/Appeal Manager | Ex-Hack Test Manager

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    idk :worried:

    actually tho.... if we're talking about an investment, 30 or 100 credits may seem nice, but if the person gradually starts to improve and decides to stay on the server, then the stock price will rise and easily turn into 300 or 1000000 credits when u have to tryhard to kill them many many times :slight_smile:
     
  17. StormNox

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  18. minecraftnoob999

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    Situation A: Engineer keeps camping on my flag side building. I keep targeting him and repeatedly killing him because it is strategic to do so. Engineer complains to unexperienced CTF staff member. Staff member warns me for objectively playing the game. If you camp my side of the map, I will target you.
     
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  19. _Pai

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    league still has a lot of players yeh but anyone who still hardcore plays league in 2018 isn't going to be the kind of ppl you want to play league with
     
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