Looking for Feedback - Engineer, Elf and Something Else

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If this passes, are we going to get money back for any item renames/stat tracking keys for removed items?

 

You will receive a new stat tracking/rename key for those items that have been removed

 

the wait was worth it, but maybe a bit change on the engineer name, like do you expect them to walk around with grenade launchers?

 

Who do you think invented grenade launchers? That's right, engineers!

 

hi this sounds cool and all but like,

 

ReNameItDemo

 

We can't just remove engineer
... Also it would mean that you need to buy it again

Still like the idea?

 

I don't need spoilers or anything, but for the purpose of making maps for the upcoming wave, how much will we have to worry about restricting Engineer? Will it continue to be a concern or not (assuming this goes through)? It would be nice to be able to restrict less of the map, just so Necro doesn't have to pay for Engineer's playstyle.

P.S. You certainly don't have to tell me; I can adjust restrictions next week on already-submitted maps if I need to, but I'd appreciate it if I had more time to make adjustments to the 2 completed and 1 WIP maps I'm making.

 

Maining Engineer after this happens

 

Why only staff members, y not Players that are playing ctf for a Long time. I mean we (the community) are more online then staff members so we can test more (I think).

I think its still too weak, I got killed and killed pyros as ninja and it wasnt a Problem for the other ninja Fighting me or me Fighting a pyro.

Sorry for big letters its just my german Keyboard doing that -_-

 

Old wind for a greater capping elf. Considering that's what the class is used for then old wind element is greater than vortex. If old wind is added, sharpness two is needed. Earth element needs a return, one of the greatest counters to ninja. Considering we are buffing elf because of ninja, earth element is a great way to do so. Make it use one arrow, but have a cooldown of four seconds. This means arrows can still remain for winding, but also making the earth element not spammable.

 

add bard

 

I have absolutely no clue how most of these classes work [mostly because i have not actually tried them yet]. However, from seeing @scapezar and @MoistMayonnaise using them, i will be able to make a few judgements [may be incorrect as i have not used them yet].

Engineer- I have only seen the tnt [grenade launcher i believe] in action so i can only say true stuff about the tnt.
The tnt does decent damage compared to the turret before the rework.
Engineer seems somewhat balanced now, it has an adequate damage source, can still boost teammates and provides
a healing mechanism. It's roughly the same in terms of damage and usefulness as before [assuming the engineer has
average skill which is what most engineers have].
The main issue with engineer before this rework was that its usefulness varied on the skill of the engineer and the amount
of players in the game.
If the engineer is very skilled and there are ten players on the engineer's team, it could possibly result in a victory for the
engineer's team. However, if the engineer was unskilled and the game had little players in it, the engineer would be pretty useless.
So therefore, the usefulness varied immensely [large range of differences of usefulness].
However, this current engineer had its usefulness at a stable level [engineer cannot be very overpowered or plain useless].
Scout- I have only seen the projectile which makes a swap between players and the death tag, so i can only say reliable statements
about those.
Scout appears to be severely underpowered as the swap can only impact the result of the game, if it swaps with a flag carrier.
If the scout does swap with the flag carrier, the scout will probably get killed unless it has teammates with it, and even then
using some other recovery class such as ninja or assassin would probably be better than scout in terms of recovery.
The absorption literally does nothing, replacing it with regeneration would help remedy this.
Deathtag is not very useful because there is not that much damage done, instead of hitting the player with the death tag,
the scout could have used the iron sword which would deal damage instantly, whereas using the death tag does not provide
an efficient damage output. It lasts for 20 seconds, so the player could just run away for that 20 seconds. It also provides a
damage increase for the victim, which may be devestating for the scout if the enemy is a buffed ninja or something like that.
Scout is pretty weak, even if it does try to steal the flag, it can only get so far due to its weak armor, even if it does swap multiple
times in an attempt to capture the flag.

 

From what I've seen in game, scout seems a bit underpowered in my opinion, or at least not enjoyable to play because the whole class seems to be designed to serve the team, and only for that purpose. You have almost nothing to really defend yourself and do damage and fight someone on your own. I think I wouldn't call it underpowered in the sense that it is not useless because the swap is great for your teammates, in order to recover or steal the flag, so it might heavily influence the result of the game in your favor, but I would call it weak. Indeed, it seems like it can't win any fight alone against any enemy. Also yes it can look fun to play because of the swap but after 10 minutes you will probably already be bored. The death tag is also an ability that only serves the team because even if it gives you a small advantage , it is not enough to fight an enemy with just helmet and boots considering that your enemy even gets 1,5x damage.
I think the class has potential and could be great but needs to be more powerful on its own and not only help the team because yes, contributing to the win of your team is cool but if you almost always have to keep yourself out of the fight and can't 1v1 anyone, it isn't enjoyable to play.

 

Yes not 2 crits anymore but every Player whos playing ninja (as often as possible) its still easy to kill a pyro… thats why im saying, but if most Players would say that this new pyro is good now, i will accept that

so its easy kill = easy creds?