Idea New Class Name TBD

This thread looks ugly, thanks to you if you read it all and understand all Im trying to say

So basically, CTF has been on a super good upward trend. I mean we got a new class for the first time in YEARS, we're getting updates, we're getting reworks, buffs and nerfs, new maps. We have two good devs now, and we need to keep the upward trend. Dear CTF staff, we need a new class, this summer. With the server having a low player count, new classes would definitely help shake up the game, and attract new players. Now we have the resources to do so.

Following chemists inevitable nerf, what needs to be looked at is offense. With dwarf rework, and changes to other classes probably happening, defense will be in a good spot. Now what is needed is another offensive class. But not an offensive capping class, like soldier, chemist, elf, heavy, ninja. ect. Now we need another offensive support, with medic being the only one.

Now, a little bit of a warning, the numbers are iffy. I'm happy to discuss / debate anyone on why we need a new offensive support, or why the class needs to be build like this, and anyone's input and help building this new class would be super appreciated. So anyways, here's a soft prototype of what I think is needed in CTF.

First off, the armor:

Iron Helmet
Iron Chest Plate
Gold Leggings
Iron Boots

My thoughts on these armor values: squishier than soldier, tankier than medic and archer, making it well off against some defensive classes, while making it not a super good capping threat with it's armor.

Now, the weapon:
Diamond Sword

Well, I know what you're saying "wow drag, this class is kinda tanky and has a super high damage output for a support". Well you'll see, my thoughts will all be explained.

Steak:
3 steak

Yeah, see, it's not *that* tanky, but it can hold it's own.

Ability:
Blaze Rod (or something idk)

Ok now here's where this might get crazy:
The class starts out with two of these every time it respawns, and gets one for every kill it gets, stacking to a max of two.

When it uses it on a (I'm calling them offense classes for now, need better classification) offensive class (chemist, soldier, medic, this class, elf, necro(weird right), heavy, sorry if i forgot a class) that class will gain two steak (one health pot for chemist) If the class is missing one steak, it will get two steak, if the class is missing more than two, it will still only gain two. If the class is restored while having extra steak, steak will not be changed. If the class had two steak and lost three, and got restored, only one would be restored and it would be at the normal steak limit. This ability cannot stack on one player, until it loses the steak or dies. (The class can use this on itself, ill work out the details later)

When it uses it on a (again, bad classification) defensive class (ninja, scout, assassin, pyro, archer, engineer, dwarf, mage(iffy), sorry if im forgetting one), that class will gain a buff that lasts until death, where the first hit against a class, that isn't already poisoned, will take poison ticks for four hearts worth of damage, or one steak. I'm not sure if this ability is possible, and maybe it's a little broken, maybe it needs to be damage ticks without cancelling movement since it lasts so long.

Anyways, here's why I think this would be a good class. It would provide a support class, that the other classes don't have to rely on, like medic. By giving capping classes extra steak and pots, it allows them to survive ducking into the flagroom better, or 1v1s better, or just surviving better in general.

For the defensive classes, it would give extra damage ticks, without being overly broken in damage and giving you time to react. It would make it deadlier for someone to run away from you, since you can renew the poison as soon as it wears off, but it's not impossible to survive a 1v1 against that class. Classes like archer can better fend off other classes. (Mage would have to proc the poison from melee hits, its wonky)

And the class has the armor and sword it does, so it can survive on its own. It will be a good support class, without having the other classes rely on it.

Again, these numbers can be tweaked, maybe its too weak or maybe it's too strong. Also sorry if someone already had an idea similar to this, i didn't take from it i thought of this on my own.

Thanks for reading this ugly chunk of words

 

Yeah I was trying to stray from specific class effects for over complication reasons.

I see what you’re saying about the ninja killing a pyro with this poison, but the reason it’s poison and not extra damage is so it doesn’t add extra on hit damage, and most pyros run a medic anyways. It’s balanced in this regard.

And if you’re talking about heavy having two extra steak on defense, well most of the time offensive players don’t try to kill the defensive heavies, at least not good offensive players.

I don’t think long range support class would be a good idea at all, hanging around mid is awful it doesn’t put pressure on defense like this class would. Imagine 8v8 and one of your offensive people (out of 3) is hanging around mid the whole game. You’re 2v5 the whole match (from a comp view) so it’s useless in comp unless the support it provides is super super strong, but by that point the class would be totally broken in casual. The point of the next offensive support class should be to strengthen an offensive push, not to strengthen some of the offensive push, while negating some of it.

And medic nerf is a bad idea. Medic is one of the only classes that people don’t really complain about and nerfing it is just dumb. No need to make two weak classes to balance the offensive and defensive meta, just make a somewhat strong class on offense and buff up some defensive classes and it’s fine.

 

I don't think it needs a full heal, maybe a minor regen built in but it's not really what's needed with other classes giving regens.

No, it won't have the ability to restore other items. This is not supposed to be a Regen / Restore class, but a buff class to make your teammates stronger

I don't think you're correct. Maybe it needs a minor buff to the support it makes, but the goal of this class is not to be a whole different medic but to make players stronger than the players they play against, if that makes sense. So i instead of a class who just heals like medic, its a whole different breed, it makes the other players stronger. Maybe small regen but again its not supposed to be a healer.

Yeah the brawler type is very strong and if you think about it, this class does have an infinite health pool like mage or engineer, as it's supposed to be able to give the buff to itself. I don't think this class should be overly complicated like elf, it should be simple and straight forward so blaze rod on enemies is not something I want to try. I think the four heart poison is a good idea, maybe accelerate it by doing 1 heart a tick instead of a half. And yeah of course medic can just restore it, its not meant to be a broken noncounter combat ability, just a slight buff to help out situationally, like a pyro who has poison ticks on a carrier who's trying to run, or a ninja who hits the enemy a couple of times and then baits them away. It will help put pressure on offensive players to act better when they play. I'm willing to explore CC but i think CC debuffs have not much middle ground between useless and broken.

I agree there isn't much giving it that offensive factor: Other than the fact that your soldier can now have almost an entire extra health bar when it tries to cap, which is a world of a difference. And with the armor it has, and the sword it has, it's tankiness and damage output are nothing to laugh at, so it can be a very solid clear class, especially with the possibility of an infinite health pool, and 5 steak max (i think there should be a cool down on individuals who receive this blaze rod effect tho, for sure). I do actually like the idea of speed, so that;'s something i'll consider editing into the class if it na little oomph.

I think I put there earlier, but the class gets an extra blaze rod every time it kills a class (incentive to go on offense and kill ninjas and assassins in two hits with its incredible damage output). Maybe it can have an effect like assassin on it's respawns so it can't just respawn for items, or a timer that after a respawn it has to wait to get items.

Again, I think you're wrong, sorry. I just have to disagree it fits in very well. You're giving great feedback which I love, but in reality, what this is, is a class thats like what, third or fourth tankiest in the game, with the third highest damage output melee. It doesn't need many cc or combat abilities to thrive in 1v1s. Along with 2 extra steak to potentially an entire offensive push, this class very well could replace offense. Medic right now is the only offensive support, and its so easy to section off and kill, which is why it's healing ability is allowed to be strong. This is a class with good armor and damage output, it's abilities dont need to be game breaking. This would be just a simple class that anyone could catch onto easily, no need for some complicated abilities. I'm gonna put out multiple versions of this class, but I think it has potential to be very good. Thanks