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  1. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Hey.


    A lot of you guys know me and know who I am and some of you know my history on Brawl. A lot of you guys have heard this and that... This is half an outro because I won't be playing as much but I couldn't find another way to make a thread explaining this to anyone.

    Let me start out with a little timeline, I got staff in 2017 when Cuddled was still around and I got assigned to Kit Brawl but later switched to WarZ due to the fact that I was really involved with the people playing and I found it super fun. So with that being said, there was still a couple staff members at the time when WarZ was around and the server still got a couple people so it wasn't too dead. I found the game fun and through out my time being a staff member, I loved it. I got closer to some wonderful people like @NMHRODMAN1SBEST and @Havai and in no time NMH got staff and was helping me out a ton. This was the first time since Ritzy was staff that I had some actual help and someone who worked with me. I had @Bryson (Lung) and @Overkilll_ there as well but they did their own things and didn't talk to me as much about it. That kind of set the tone for this part of the timeline, they did things on their own and upset the community. I'm a very big person on communication but I thought that letting them learn would be best and they did. They both left, I was then left with Tchuck as NMH had resigned due to him not wanting to play as much anymore. Tchuck was a good bit of help so I have no complaints.

    After this, I had resigned almost a year after I had gotten staff but came back in May again of 2018 to when WarZ 2.0 was being thought of. I was only JMod for a couple weeks and got promoted instantly to MOD. Some people had a problem with this and thought I got promoted too fast but I had experience so I was like aight... So here comes @TheMafias one of the most wonderful people in the world. Just a little insight, he false banned one of the WarZ community members and I told him to unban him yet he kept him banned for a couple days with evidence that wasn't worthy of a ban but I'm going to just let that go. I came into the scene and worked endlessly with Putty trying to create a gamemode in a couple weeks, yes Mafia and @Droiid helped me out a lot too so I cannot complain on their work ethic but I knew something was up. During this, SoCool and me bumped heads a lot. I'm not going to sit here and say that I didn't have anything to do with the fact that I constantly triggered him but it was vice versa. I felt targetted and some people were plotting on me. Yes this is going to be a thread explaining MY side of the story. I'm so sick and tired of people constantly demonizing me and exaggerating the things that I did while I was staff. I got denied twice for these reasons.

    Let's continue, so when I was a staff member bumping heads with one of the longest remaining staff members I wasn't too liked. I was later on admitted to the hack test team. We had made a couple hack test by that time and I was the one who had graded the majority of them for the past couple times but then came Mafias and Droiid in a call with me. This is the first incident that triggered tf out of me, Mafias had constantly asked me to reveal HIS score and even though the results were going to come out in a couple hours I gave him his score and Droiid his score as well. I later found out that day that Mafias instantly went to tell someone and the person that he had told and Mafias tried to get me demoted. This was the first time I had gotten a little iffy about the whole situation. I let it go and then WarZ 2.0 was a couple weeks away from launch so I was given SMod on WarZ to account for the fact that the server was going away and I had the responsibility to make it the best it could of been for the players. I constantly held events on a daily basis and gave people endless amount of items through the event kits to play with. I set warps and people loved it. I had a constant base and everyone was happy for the moment but rather sad the server was leaving. Let's get to when WarZ had left and 2.0 came in, I was flying around with ToggleSprint and SoCool /poof -smod'd me and followed me around when I couldn't see him. He recorded me flying with a boost from togglesprint and this is the SECOND time he tried to get me demoted. I was just flying around with togglesprint, when this **** happened I was like okay. I guess they are trying to find a way to demote me. I didn't understand why because at this point I had apologized and everything was cool but here is the video:



    Now let's get to the point where I was SMod on WarZ:

    I flew around in /poof and creative which doesn't allow a player to see you but your minecraft body is still visible to staff who can see poofed players. When this happened, I got reported by STAFF members for flying around in creative. This was one of the issues brought up in my denial reason and I was kind of salty, because this was left out of the context and it was made to seem I was flying around in creative:
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    This is Roke asking me about why I did it. Literally whatever but let's continue, I also permbanned people. It was a pretty cool thing to do not gonna lie and yes I did do it. I permbanned a **** ton of bots that were botting the server saying to go to deadcentral the opposing WarZ server and I permbanned AirSupport for constantly hacking on like 15 accounts. I knew all of these accounts and saw him play on them in a call with them. I probably shouldn't of done that and I take full responsibility for that. But besides that,
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    I had argued with @Orange_Nestea who I told he was worse than talking to a LOCKED door cause this man did not stop trying to trigger me so I kicked him from the discord. This was the ONLY instance of me being aggressive to ANY of my community members. Yet I got told I was aggressive to VARIOUS community members and I can tell you from the bottom of my heart while I was staff I never was aggressive to my people because I knew they were the only reason the server ran and I tried my best to help everyone out. This is my response:
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    If anyone wants to go to #warz in the Staff discord, they can see that during this time, I had given up the passive aggressiveness. Now let's get onto some more. When SoCool had resigned, I unbanned Dan (Idk what account he's on now) when he was banned more or less unfairly. Sure there WAS some evidence against him but I did not keep him banned due to the fact that he was targetted by SoCool for so long and they didn't get along. SO I felt as if he was more or less trying to get every flick, every little sketchy thing and spent months trying to gather FALSE evidence against him. I also unbanned featherpaw from the discord because SoCool banned her for posting the raid community discord. I also unbanned Removers I think, I unbanned James cause SoCool and him weren't cool at all, I had been told many things and everything added up and evidence was never agreed upon yet the ban was made. I should of rethought the unban but I explained myself to Roke.

    Now let's get to my main point:

    This is not JUST me saying this. I will have resigned staff members back me up on this, but I feel as if there are people who hold something against me. And I'm not gonna lie I was super aggressive, but I was never like that to anyone that isn't SoCool. I feel as if there is a current bias in the staff team that should definitely be brought up because I'm so sick of having staff members pming me asking me stuff that I did, and when I explain to them they're like "Oh..." because they didn't know both stories. There is clearly an issue here that needs to be addressed. This is the most professional way to bring it up. I'm not trying to be toxic anymore and I clearly don't want to continue flaming SoCool even though it's funny, but when you're a staff member, every decision you make has to be unbiased or you're hurting the server you volunteer for. I had so many people on my side but yet one person brought everything down because they made me seem like I'm a monster lmao and yes I mean it, if no one knew me and they got described the things I did the way SoCool fought against me, they'd think that I was clearly an abusive moderator who didn't care about the server, etc. I have done and suggested more than most of the current WarZ jmods, and no I'm not trying to flame them. My efforts were more than enough to get staff again yet one person brought it down. This isn't about me getting staff but about the negative image imposed on me while I couldn't defend my name. Also one more thing I forgot to mention, SoCool made a staff discord that involved a lot of people BUT me. Yes they did that. They made a discord where I wasn't involved yet I was staff, he claimed they actually did work in that discord yet nothing was put in during this time. I had a very hard time understanding this. Whatever. I hope I changed some minds on me. Because no one can say I didn't care about the server and I'm sick and tired of people suggesting my intentions are malicious towards the server. I could care less if this brings down any chance of me getting staff, but I have an issue with this SMod. So do many other WarZ community members as hes gotten involved and said stuff he didn't know about. This is me taking the first step.
     
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  2. StrikerSly

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    Look man I know you want to get your side out and whatever but put it past you. That’s my only advice. Stressing and dwelling on this won’t help. I know for a fact you care about warz and brawl in general but I’m saying this in your best interest. Trust me, I’ve been on the “staff scandals” side of this **** when I was first staff. It’s not fun.
     
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  3. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Yeah but this **** isn't right lmao it shouldn't be like that, I don't want other people to go through it cause you know it's annoying
     
  4. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    This ain't it chief lemme tell ya
     
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  6. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Well, it's a shame it has come to this.

    You're annoyed at me because I -1'd you due to your past actions on the staff team. You're saying that you weren't as bad as I am saying you are, but unfortunately, that is very difficult for me to prove to you, as I can't just leak screenshots from staff chat to back up my point. It's my word against yours.

    Secondly, you're saying that I am the reason you got denied. This is absolutely not true. You posted an application on the 4th of September 2019. 3 days later, I commented this on the application:
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    In staff chat, I said this about you:
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    (Note that this is a cropped message, since it's part of a bigger message giving my thoughts on multiple staff applicants).

    Despite my being supportive of this application, you were still denied.

    Since I know people will ask this - I -1'd your second app because we had far more staff applicants at this point. There were maybe 10 staff applicants for WarZ here, which allowed us to have higher standards with who we could accept. I was willing to support you joining the staff team when we really needed more WarZ staff, but when we had more options I saw no reason in taking the risk.

    Thirdly, that my decision was biased. This absolutely isn't the case. I have -1'd a recent applicant, DaddyPurest, for the same reason: his history while on the staff team. If 0racle, or GreenPeas, or DeKrah were to apply right now I would -1 them too for the same reasons. My decision on your app is consistent.

    Finally, to address some specific claims made in this thread.
    Concerns were raised to me from several staff members that you were hacking on WarZ. I don't remember the nature of the claims, as they were 2 years ago, but like with any other claim, I investigated it.

    You are not the only staff member I have investigated for hacking. Before you, I have gone against DeKrah and Removers for hacking while staff. After you, I have investigated a couple of staff members for hacking but did not find sufficient evidence they were doing it.

    I did report you, as I did not know how someone could fly that quickly. I don't remember exactly how it was done (I believe you were using a togglesprint that allowed you to fly quicker), but I was wrong to think this video was sufficient to prove you were hacking.

    Am I wrong to do this? Again, it's up for debate. Does it prove I am biased against you? No - I have investigated staff for hacking for about 3 years.
    I assume you are talking about the "Brawl Underground" project. I know the name sounds sketchy - but the name was based on the CTF Underground, an official group organised by CTF staff about 8 years ago. Because this server was made about 2 years ago, I don't remember the specific details of it. However, the general gist of it is this.

    The plan for that Discord server was to provide an alternative place to discuss plans and updates for Brawl. There's a fairly nuanced issue with how staff chat works, which I believe has some pretty major effects with communication and transparency between staff and the community. While a lot of things in staff chat need to be kept a secret (e.g official plans for future updates), there are a lot of things in staff chat that need to be in the public eye, available for the community to see. Namely, what staff think of ideas and what staff see as the future of Brawl.

    The idea of this Discord server was to invite players into a group that acts as a staff chat. Players in this group would be treated as staff - they would get the opportunity to give their opinions on community-suggested ideas and they would help make decisions on how Brawl should change. Staff would then discuss this in the actual staff chat, where an official decision would be made.

    Similar systems have been done in the past: McPvP's idea panellists and CTF underground worked very similar to this, and our WarZ council follows the same sort of concept as this. However, the project was scrapped once I was promoted to SMod, as I began to seak an official way of doing this.

    In total, we had maybe 6 staff members in this chat, and it never got to the stage where community members were added. Not once have I claimed that any actual work was done in this Discord, with an exception for figuring out how the system would work.

    For what it's worth, staff branching off and making these sorts of systems is not unheard of - this is how the official CTF Ideas Council was initially founded.

    To finish, I want to reiterate the following. I am not acting biased towards you. Was my decision to -1 you a bad decision, maybe even an unfair one? Perhaps, there's no right or wrong answer to that - but it is consistent with how I typically respond to applications like yours.

    However, I also want to say this: my actions and the nature that I handled your application has quite clearly been unsatisfactory. There were several ways I could have handled this better. I should not have publicly gone into any detail about your history on the staff team. I shouldn't have responded to your app, as I had no real feedback to give you. I should have reached out sooner and tried to resolve why you were flaming me, rather than just ignoring the flame.

    I'm not going to sit here and own up to all the accusations, many of which I believe are false. However, I am going to own up to this: the way I handled this entire situation was inherently flawed, as proven by the fact that it has caused an ex-staff member and regular player to quit. For this, I am sorry, and I fully intend to improve the way I handle this and similar situations in the future.
     
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  7. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Pm me due to the fact that I'd rather not start a flame war on the forums, I rather not put more stuff out there as well. Thank you for understanding my frustration.
     
  8. Droiid

    Droiid Shutdown

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    I'd just like to say that, bro. Damn. I did not mean for anything I did while we were staff together to affect you the way it did. I usually tried staying out of brawl staff drama, because honestly it was a bunch of bs. I just wanted better for my gamemode (ww) and I could tell you did too. Honestly anything I did was straight up out of respect. I could smell your work ethic from a mile away, you cared a lot about warz. Sure, when you were treated better than maf and I, I got a bit salty. But, I could tell you were always looking out for the gamemode. Which I care about more than anything else.

    I feel things between us has cooled off as time has let it. Anytime you hop in disc or ww I always say whats up. I just think that miscommunication in that staff team lead to a lot of beef and toxicity. It could very well be different, so I am not speaking for the current staff team as that was 2 years ago. But, Jay, you're a good guy.

    Hope to see you around amigo <3
     
  9. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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