Idea New Class Idea: Thief

It's a good idea, but I don't think switching steaks is a good idea, because that will be op. Also the thieve could be the first class that has a dodging ability, that let's you dodge arrows or swords. Obviously in that time phrase they can't attack others or steal the flag, but they should still be able to switch items.
PS: if they get a bow, they also should be able to get some arrows too

 

pyros are punching air rn

 

This is a great idea +1

Indeed they are

 

This would still be very exhausting for the developers to implement, but the idea is very entertaining and at least deserves a lot of brainstorming to spawn general ideas if nothing else. For this Thief idea as it's seeming to be so far, I think it would benefit from some kind of ability that forces a target opponent to switch to wielding a different item at random (but not a compass, spray can, nether star, glass pane, empty hand, etc - unless one of those is the only other possible option).

If forcing an opponent to wield something else isn't added at all, then I think there should be a cooldown delay period between a Thief deciding to wield a stick and having the stick be able to do it's item swap trick. For example, the stick needs to be held for something like 2 full seconds before it can swap an item, so if someone with ping issues is fighting a Thief they have a better chance to react against the stick's item swapping trick in case it's like a Heavy who has little reason to ever wield anything other than their sword. If a Thief ambushes by surprise, and has already been holding the stick for awhile before charging in, then they would swap the stick for that held item immediately...but I feel that switching from attacking in combat to stealing something with the stick should require some kind of difficulty for the Thief so that there is an effective way to handle Thief enemies.

As for swapping, if half stacks are granted to the Thief then only half stacks should be lost, BUT they should still be MOVED in a player's inventory to an empty slot with a stick taking the place of where they were, so that a stick is still thrown into the mix even though they don't lose all of the stack's supply (unless it was already at half a stack or less, or unless a second stick is used after the opponent equips the remaining stack). I think the Thief should get half a full stack's amount even if the opponent had less than that. For example, if an Archer is holding a mostly depleted stack of only 14 arrows, the swapping Thief should still gain 32 arrows when the 14 arrows turn into a stick, and the Archer's other 64 stack should remain untouched -- but if the Archer holds a stack of 40 arrows, then the Thief should get 32 arrows, the stack of 40 should turn into a stick for the Archer, and another slot in the Archer's hotbar should suddenly get the difference of 8 arrows appearing. The biggest problem is with full hotbar classes like Chemist and Fashionista (yes, you know Thieves are going to want to steal fireworks if they can... LOL)...as well as other classes with lots of abilities in addition to things like spray cans that players would have in their hotbar. Gets tricky to figure out where to put the remaining stack when a stick gets squeezed in.

Sticks would definitely be a very complicated thing to throw in the mix, but it would be such hilarious fun.

 

maybe sneaking means you clutch your items harder so the thief cannot steal when you sneak.

besides that, it sounds like a cancer class that will drastically reduce the amount of casual offenders who are utterly defenceless against 3 assassins without their sword, so I think thief should be implemented immediately.

 

Lol this sounds like a blocking mechanic sort of thing all over again.. I agree it's pretty crazy overpowered for defense since u can steal their sword (given that most of the times they will be holding their sword when they go into the fr or steal) the concept is cool but definitely needs to be modified in a way that it doesn't feel painful to go up against.

 

I like the idea but if the victim only gets a wooden sword it would be uncool

Cuz if a heavy's sword gets stolen, the heavy's basically done for

 

Another idea could be to upgrade or downgrade the item. So a heavy would receive an iron sword, a one downgrade from their current item. It would also keep enchantments. So if a medic's item is stolen, they keep the sharpness but it's a stone/wooden sword (can't remember which is the downgrade from gold). But then this could make a thief too weak.

 

An alternative to nerfing a permanent (until Medic intervention) effect is to have a temporary effect instead. Maybe the Thief makes that swap, only gets 1 stick total, or possibly 2, but after something like 7 seconds or so it returns to normal. The Thief gets the stick back and the victim of the theft recovers their item suddenly. Without any other cooldowns the Thief could just as easily keep doing the same trick, but if someone runs away from a Thief somehow or can work out a strategy that works well against a Thief then they'd have a better chance at utilizing it but risking having their preferred item taken away again.

This temporary option could even work for grabbing ENTIRE stacks rather than only part of a stack, but when returned it would reset how it was originally as far as amount and cooldown timer. For example, if an Assassin had only one speed boost sugar, and it was 50% cooldown before reviving up to having a second sugar, the Thief would gain the remaining sugar in the stack for a period of time (such as 7 seconds) and whether the sugar is used by the Thief or not, after that time (even if the Thief was killed prior to the 7 seconds) the Assassin would get back that 1 sugar and the cooldown before gaining another speed boost sugar would return to 50%. I predict it could make a Thief quite effective in PVP but not overpowered and not too weak (especially since the effect would persist after their death if the effect were instead made temporary in this way).

 

ideas: thief can only steal melee/main weapons for a class, can use that weapon indefinitely on other players but only once on the person they stole it from (they take it back after being hit with it, or something), additionally steals a steak after every third theft. would encourage the thief to roam more and disable more players

no leather cap, and thief starts out with a wooden sword.

weapons are not returned from medic heals and are only returned after the thief dies, or is forced to use the weapon they stole on the victim