Idea Angel V2 [Ranged Support with High Jumps]

I actually really like this concept and have liked this concept since it's inception on the previous thread you posted. I really would love to see a ranged healer in the game and definitely would be a class that requires a high skill level/mechanical skill in order to master and play well. This definitely does fulfill the niche that elf was supposed to fill at first, being a ranged support class. I like how it has also melee support potential with the apples as well

I only think that it will still get played less than medic would due to its healing output, I like the idea of giving someone jump boost but through the bow instead, or just implementing other abilities that can be gifted to the teammates via the bow other than healing, such as a possible cleanse for pyro frenzy or fleeting resistance. I like the possible cc ability as well/preventing enemies from jumping/wallclimbing would be pretty funny tbh - main concerns would be the class not being that useful on maps that aren't open/have clear lines of sight onto teammates

I definitely feel like this rework is much cleaner and seems to be much better than ur previous idea so keep it up!! Good ideas all around :>

 

I really like the concept of the class! A ranged healer with unique mobility would be pretty fun to try out in-game. My only concern is that medic would likely be chosen more often than Angel due to the difficulty in restoring players, because of this I don't see it (with it's current stats) as a main healing class. But, I can see this as a replacement for one of bulks in a 2 bulk defense... or a replacement for a supporting bulk on offense, or even supporting necro on offense in some cases. Two healers is better than one, and since Angel has good melee support potential, I can see it getting played.

Some suggestions I wanted to share are similar to what auro said, unique utility abilities like cleansing pyro frenzies would be useful on offense. We have to look for abilities that current support classes can't already do, otherwise they'll be picked over Angel. Another suggestion of mine is to maybe change the bow-ranged healing into a "beam" ranged healing like we see in games like Overwatch. Some sort of item in hand that you can look at and right click onto an ally player, it will then "lock" onto that player and give them constant regen (x). Or even copy the "mark" ability from other games where if you mark an ally player, whenever the medic regens them it'll be quicker (i.e. 25% more regen/regen speed). Final suggestion for the class is an "ultimate" ability like pyro's frenzy. Angel can charge it's exp bar through either hits or healing dealt (i.e. healing players for X hearts will fully charge the bar); once the bar is full then Angel could use it's "wings" and maybe glide in the air? It wouldn't be too overpowered since gliding in the air would still leave the Angel vulnerable to an archer's hs, but the Angel would end up gaining more mobility to heal allies from above.

Overall, I like the concept and the rework looks much nicer Good luck with the idea!

 

Sounds like a fun class to play. But I worry that this class could extend the amount of time stalemates last. Say the player uses the Biotic Bow on the flag carrier, the regen might be too fast to where it’s a lot harder to take out the flag carrier. I’d probably change the power of the regen but I haven’t checked how fast the regen is exactly so I’m not too sure if that could make a difference. Overall though, it sounds like a fun class to play in competitive, great job all around!

 

Yup! I just think I worded it wrong, for the Angel they could actually "cleanse" a pyro's frenzy. For example, if the pyro has all 4 hit charges and a frenzy ready, the ability that cleanses the frenzy would reset their charge.

 

maybe have adding a jumping boost with a speed effect?

 

So I think it's great! Along with medic, to account for any sort of OP healing stalemates... the restore timer can be shared between the medic and the angel. If that was already suggested, sorryyy I read it all but mightve missed it.

However... this poses a new problem where an assumption is going to exist that classes are going to always be restored at least once during combat. This assumption is similar to that of classes always being buffed. (These assumptions are most especially relevant in competitive.) So what this does is make PvP combat even less powerful than insta-kill abilities than it currently stands. To account for this change, death-tag does exist along with chemist buffs... but future classes #dwarf? could perhaps further improve the gap of PvP (non-instakill) abilities, which is arguably a better direction anyways.

TL;DR, +1 ... I'd like to see this class/concept added in the future.

 

Having a mobile & ranged healing class in the game is something i've personally wanted for a long time. I really like this concept, however theres a few things i think could do with slight tweaks.

- Armor wise the class is almost identical to medic, which I think you could and should do something about. A potential change could be replacing the chainmail parts with leather, and add protection I or II to it.

- With the armor tweak, you could reduce the rabbit foot generation cooldown from 15 to 10 or 8 seconds. This allows for more mobility and higher survavability against certain classes like assassin (which already is a massive counter to angel), heavy, chemist, pyro, etc. It will also open the battlefield a lot more for the class and, combined with the biotic and bunny bow, allow for more utility and creativity, which I think would be really cool. (like finding high ground that other classes cant reach, and have a good overview of where your teams offense currently is, get a better shooting angle, etc)

- I think jump boost VIII is a bit of an overkill, even though the effect only lasts for 3 seconds. Lower it to jumpboost V.

- Make the axe diamond instead of gold. The class wont have any chance of succesfully defending itself from 2 or 3 ninjas at a time, in competitive play. Casual would be even worse.

Other than that, I think the class is fine. It's a very cool concept that I am all for implementing, as long as its slightly tweaked.

 

Fair. 8 seconds is a bit too little, 12 or so maybe?

Could definitely work.

You could counter this by adding more steak, and/or some sort of passive that isnt regeneration. The reason why I think this class' melee damage should be buffed is because it's more or less a sitting duck against any high-damage & mobile class (ninjas & buffed soldiers). Even with its current mobility, it'd be hard to outrun either of those, as they have just as much vertical movement as an Angel would have. In order to protect itself, I think the only way to go is to improve damage output on the melee weapon. (You also can't block, so it's impossible to reduce any oncoming damage).

I also noticed this. One potential ultimate ability could be an AoE buff burst, that gives every teammate within a 5x5 block radius regen II, strength II & fire-res that lasts for 5 - 10 or so seconds.

 

Just thought it'd be more interesting, but it's fine I guess.

For the axe, or the bow? Assuming it's for the bow, I doubt you'll be able to just bow back a ninja or two thats already up in your face.

Yes. I am not saying the melee weapon should be buffed to the point where it can beat a strengthened soldier, I am saying the melee weapon should be buffed to the point where an Angel can use it in order to properly defend itself. Add a few sharpness levels to the axe and I will be happy. I didnt mean it should be able to kill bulk, but rather keep up with one.