DISCUSSION Pyro

We all know the game-meta is broken, because pyro has no Instakill.


I mean you can see how easy it is to steal a flag.


Lets discuss


~ LoL200e

 

The Game-Meta is broken, because pyro has not instakill.

Yes you can hit someone 5x (times) and get a state of "instakill" for 3 seconds. This was only made for the CTF Match Scene to have a Main Class Role in the Defense in the Match, without pyro matches would be lame, because everyone would get the flag and run and die - this is what i think and believe. (yeah big rooming than,very nice)

So you can die first, don't waste the time and try again. It's frustrating, by god yes, but i played so long pyro and i was some of the best, after Quarrelt and Jaker_Pi. These guys are legends. And so i knowed the best Soldiers like @5ive_Head who tricked me and the other two most of the time, so the Team Scene was knowing which one they should recruit to have a good and stable Match.

We can delete Pyro, but than we have in regular Rounds a only "steal and run" scenario and this every second. Would we give Pyro his real instakill back, we would give the CTF Scene give his Real Defender back and dont need do change other Classes for a big balance of the Offense and Defense, because we have a Strong Def Class with a Healer (medic) and any other class can be used as a Mid, Recov or Offense Class.

The new Scout by the way is a good Recov class, but we have now 3 Recov Classes (Ninja, Assassin, Scout) that are totally easy to kill and pyro too. With these Situation is it more frustrating. For a Strong Def you need rightnow first: Many people, second: good rooming players (with mobility Classes) or last a organised defense in a regular round. In a Match you have a organised defense and if not, yeah, you are lose somehow, but will not win.


The Maps are beautiful but the most or at least many of them are based for a Offense gameplay.


And yes the good Pyros right now are only insane PvPers, they are just hitting. For Pyro you don't need much training right now, so everyone can play it with a little bit with pvp skills.
(I mean only good Pyros, not Pro Pyros like ghenry, this is a other level)

What is with Archer? What is with Assassin? We could remove the instakill there too.

We have a Recovery Role with Instakill - Assassin
We have a Mid Role with instakill - Archer
We have no Off Role with instakill, because we all know that would change the game forever.
We have a somehow Def Role with instakill, but only after 5 hits.

And when i look at it, i just see no one wants a Defense Class with Instakill, but no one removed it for forever, because they knew that would change the game forever too. In the direction of “We need a Defense Class” “Oh we have only one, but we don't like it, but we need it, but we don't like it…. but we need it”.”Edit it so it's easier to cap”

And everyone finds other instakill classes okay. There is no change “big” change in Archer or Assassin for over 6 years and no one wants a change in these classes. It's a “o **** i died again, but i can block by assassins or dodge the Archer”

They are trying to get a stable game-meta, but they don't see that they just need to give Pyro his instakill back to make good Offense Classes to beat it. Right now, i can even run in the offense with Pyro and live for a long time, because the Ninjas wouldn't kill me in time, because of my Iron-Chestplate, the old chest-plate would send pyro back in the flagroom forever. (They would kill me in time when they are do rooming, big rooming or aggressive rooming)

And we have ELF and i mean ELF is a very very good Offense Class as a counter to Pyro, not to Ninja yeah, but it's a good step and was a good step to have a real Offense encounter to Pyro besides Medic, who have just his healing ability.

DO i need to play a PPM? In a organised Match every Steal is difficult, you could send a tone of pro Soldiers in the Offense and they would get the flag or not, its luck and skill based stealing even in Blackout.

I don't know what you want to say, if you just say "Pyro insta was stupid".

I think that soldiers can fly is Stupid too, because they can easy steal the flag as no other class, because they can fly somehow. Yes, it was limited, but what i only see everyone in a Offense wants a easy way to steal the Flag and not a "Ugh a Pyro, this will take longer" but the Defense thinks the same "Ugh a soldier who can easy steal the flag". Just think there is no Pyro in the def, yeah free Caps and the Ninjas, Assassins have many time to Recov you.

And in the End it's more frustrating for Soldier right now, because Pyro has a iron-chestplate and as a Soldier you can’t anymore kill a Pyro with Skill, you need Teammates do it for you and every hit he makes so faster can he kill you. Pyros don't wait anymore for Soldier, they run straight towards them hit them. And even now when your Teammates wants to kill the Iron-chestplate Pyro they need longer, yeah they distract him, but he gains Hits runs after you hits you once, activates his frenzy mode, you die. With the old Pyro, the Pyro would we dead in time when someones steals the flag.

I know contradict myself right now, this it what it looks like, but the good old Soldiers and old Pyros know, when a Soldier hits a Pyro you have a better chance. Sounds dreamy, but its true. The new Pyro is more focused to hit everyone of the other team and runs in a turtle rooming form and this is not what a Main-Def-Based Class should do, this should only do a Recovery-Class or a Recovery-Player but not Pyro.










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What i want to say: Yeah Pyro is a class where you can say "Ugh, i don't like it", but no ones sees that a stable Pyro would stable the game-meta like a good way, would give more Class opportunities in the Offense. We could make 5 more Offense Classes and the game would still be fun with a real instakill Pyro and we don't mess up the game-meta, because the defense is stable and you can make the offense Classes how you want, so you get more ways to get the flag.

We have Pyro as the one and only Main Defense Class like no other class and we can focus on the offense-game Meta.



We could say right now "We change everything back" or "We can just edit other classes to get a stable meta", but Pyro is the fastest and easiest way to get rid of it. So we don’t waste time the next month or years the fix the game-meta over and over again.

And i know there could be the argument "We can't make a whole game-meta based on a only class" and i think this is totally right to say, but we can't either just make a whole game-meta based on whole bunch of offense classes.

This is what i see: The most Maps are made for offense gameplay, the most classes changed into a offense or mid classes like engi or necro who was based to be "fun-classes" (not engi ..... for real not engi) but instead of that change why haven't we released the changes as new classes? and not as a rework?




I know there are many out there who says right now the game-meta is not broken or this discussion has no sense.

A little advice, buy/play the Pyro class and play it like a Offense Class. You will die sometimes, like a soldier who wants to steal the flag, than play back like a defense Class and you will see (when the server is normally full) you will die the same. Except you are a Pro Pyro.


So there is no need of Pyro, remove it or give it his instakill back.

With the First the game-meta would break forever, with the second the game-meta would be healed forever and when you they: "There is no need" the game-meta will be as the same for the rest of the CTF-GAME and no other class or new class would fix it.



NOTICE: Regular Rounds, not Match Rounds.

Match Rounds a fully organised Games and have nothing to do with the original game-meta, because every Match has his own game-meta based on the individual Player, you can’t compare a normal CTF-Match with a normal CTF-Round.





Im very bad at english, so i hope that you can understand my sentences guys.





~ LoL200e

 

Its newcomer and randy friendly its true and i like it too

but on the other side i think this a problem, if you want to be friendly with new User you should throw the whole game-meta away and made a whole new one with no instakill class, because its complicate to be friendly with new User and the regular CTF-Community and veterans at the same time.

But i think Capping should something be for the regular CTF-Community and not for randys.
New Players who like the game will understand how this team-based Game works and will understand that Capping is something for one who trys over and over again to have a Cap.

 

So i played again for some weeks and my opinion is still the same.

We could make more and more Offense Classes with ordinary skills, but have a stable Class (Pyro) and everything would be fine.
Some points stick out the most when i played:

This is the most important. Just look for a week or a month on the game meta (and play pyro). Pyro as the only class in the flagroom is useless. I had these situations more than 70%. There were people that recovered the flag, but mostley it was a 50% organised recovery. But thats not how it should be. Pyro should be THE Defense Class that can handle this alone (if you are regular Pyro player)

Again. Could someone look at this point more? BECAUSE ITS JUST TRUE.


The CTF-Staff-Team shoud bring back the old Pyro but also bring new classes and not reworks.

Some very old Class-Ideas:

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Just ignore "Jumper" its to much.