Comments on Profile Post by CatlasShrugged

It's not. Life is hopeless without Jesus. I feel sorry for you.

Are you implying our lifes are hopeless?

Without Jesus, everyone is hopeless.

Why do you even believe that crap?

Like I just said, life is hopeless without Jesus. I just can't believe in any other faith.

But why faith in the first place? Why not just evidence? Its called sience btw.

We can't understand everything God does. Science helps us understand God's universe to certain extent.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

But why faith? Why not just stick with what can be proven very likely instead of fantasies? Now you state your beliefs, not why you have those beliefs. Why base your beliefs on faith and noy on evidence. That was what i asked you see.

And yes, religion without sience is blind, but tho sience might be lame (which i would argue it isnt), it doesnt mean your faith becomrs right.

This is what I want to see. Instead of insulting me like some late night HBO talk show host, come forth with constructive criticism and questions.
I'll get back to you soon. I'll have to think about this. I'm not the most in depth Christian. I'm not Billy Graham.

Gehenna you also need to understand not everybody is a Christian, and you probably get hate because you say things like "if you're not Christian your life is hopeless" to people. I'm a Christian and I'm proud of it, but I don't try to put others down because they aren't, we all have our own beliefs. I'm personally not hated for it either.

I know, but when I said that, I meant it out of great concern. I fully expect people to be offended when they hear the message of the cross, which is we are sinners and we deserve Hell.
The cross is offensive.

In a bibliographical survey of over 2,200 publications on the resurrection in English, French, and German since 1975, Gary Habermas found that 75% of scholars accept the historicity of the discovery of Jesus’ empty tomb and that there is near universal agreement on the post-mortem appearances.

Gary Habermas, “Experience of the Risen Jesus: The Foundational Historical Issue in the Early Proclamation of the Resurrection,” Dialog 45 (2006): 292.

OH GOD. ARE YOU SERIOUS. "LIFE IS HOPELESS WITHOUT JESUS"?

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry...

I'm a Jew and I'm damn proud that we helped nail Jesus up, or whatever you Christians think we did. Jesus was the most harmful human being in history, with the possible exceptions of Hitler and Mohammed.

By the way Gehenna, I imagine that most historians who study the "resurrection" are religiously inclined and are therefore probably gonna a) already believe in it or b) be more inclined to believe in it?

Also, I suppose it's futile pointing out that the "resurrection" is pretty much scientifically impossible, as is half the stuff in the Bible?

Or that the Bible and religion as a whole were used to explain how the world worked before the advent of science and is pretty outdated?

And I find it absolutely ridiculous that Gehenna says "I feel sorry for you because you don't live your life by the rules laid down by my imaginary friend" and in America, that's just a relatively normal thing. Makes me sick.

If you wanna believe in imaginary people, go ahead, that's your right. But don't guilt trip other people for not doing so, and don't try to give me this BS about me going to Hell.

And lastly, I lied before. I'm not Jewish, I'm a pastafarian. I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster who decrees that all must consume ten bowls of pasta a day or you are a sinner and shall burn in hell. I feel sorry for you if you don't believe in our Spaghetti Overlord.

If you can point out to me a legitimate difference between pastafarianism and Christianity, I'll be surprised.

How was Jesus evil? All you have to is accept Him into your heart and you're saved from Hell, even if you become an atheist sometime after that.
Compare that to this Pastafarianism. Jesus is much merciful than this Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Gehenna he used the how can you claim you religion is the one that is right card.

It is not a question of who is merciful - it is a question of who is right.

And commenting on our discussion;
The backing you represent (based on gary habermas work), is rather interesting. Id like to point out first that he saw as his goal to get some evidence backing christianity.

Now when you say 75% agree that was jesus grave and that it is empty. Well the cave you refer to was empty. There is no question about it. The 75% comes from the disagreement of where the grave is. Or if it excists at all. The grave you see doesnt become jesus grave cos it was empty

Now remember mostly believers study this topic. That will also screw up that kinds of stats.

Also, if i remember right, the main reason that cave is seen as the grave is because constantine thought it must have been.

Now thats one bit of evidence. There is many ways in which that grave could be empty even if it was jesus grave without him ressurrecting. Its not like that church have been controllee by a lot of different cultures during the 2k years.

Then put it against the evidence sience produces. The evidence against supernatural things is overwhelming.

And btw, even if that guy ressurrected, it wouldnt prove anything.

All I ask for is that you do not force you religious beliefs on others. Its like watching porn - you might like it but otherd dont wana know about it.

I'm not trying to force my beliefs on you. Yes, I'd like to convert you, but I'm not tying you to a chair and shoving a Bible in your face. You can choose to ignore me. I'm not going to stop sharing what I believe. I enjoy posting inspirational messages on my page.

You do not tell me i should go to hell or tell my life is hopeless. That kind of stuff you stop and I am fine.

Well, that's the message of Christianity. We're all sinners and deserve Hell, but through Jesus, we can be saved.

Keep it for yourself then

I know there are Christians who keep pestering people to convert, and that's not right.
If someone rejects you, just walk away and pray. That's all you can and should do.

Gehenna, Jesus was evil because he inadvertently started a destructive religion that obstructs science, starts wars, and brainwashes half the planet.

Catlasshrugged, now you are only shooting yourself in the foot i think. I am quite sure no christian would believe that. And if you arent one, why think that was his goal? That seems far fetched.

What?
I never said that all this evil was Jesus's goal, I used the word "inadvertently" meaning by accident. Jesus may have had good-ish intentions and perhaps the word "evil" to describe the man himself is a bit strong, I can retract that. But what he created is unmistakably evil.

It's like saying chap is responsible for all the swatting and DDoSing on WarZ because he created it.

Hmmm, I think that's a bit of a weak comparison since WarZ is kind of a uniquely toxic server whereas a lot of religions are pretty much evil. But anyway, I'm not gonna argue Jesus's motives, I have no idea. But I am gonna say that what he did, on purpose or not, has really messed up the world in a big way.

What?