So it's second-hand accounts? Just like how if I told you I could walk on water? Why do you trust the apostles or whoever, more than me or someone else who's alive today? What are their credentials?
God wouldn't allow something false to be written in His book. Yeah, I know. You're probably going to say stupid excuse, but that's what the Bible is, the written word of God.
I could scour the Internet searching through Christian apologetics, but honestly, I'm not going to spend a lot of time doing that. It reassures me that Jesus actually existed and that no other religion has a God that's as selfless as mine.
What if I wrote a book about a God? I invented a new one. And he was the nicest ruler, super selfless, and just an all-round great guy. And the book sort of made sense scientifically and historically. Would you believe it? If not, why not?
How could you possibly do that? My God is already like that. Yes, He allows people to run around and do whatever they want, no matter how bad it might be. At least He gives us the choice to obey Him or not and not force us to.
I just told you diseases are the result of sin, which is our fault. Sin is not a product of God. It is the product of those who disobeyed God. Ever heard of Adam and Eve?
Isn't Adam the product of God though? Wasn't Eve made by God from one of Adam's ribs as well? Wasn't even Adam designed especially to kind of 'mirror' god?
Imagine I made a car.
I sell it to you.
If the car breaks down and explodes.
Are you gonna sue me or the car itself?
God gave Adam and Eve a choice. They could eat the fruit from any tree in the garden except for one, the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. Eve was tempted by Satan into eating it. She gave into the temptation and ate the fruit. Her husband thought it was OK and ate it as well.
"diseases are a result of sin"
what? are you saying only bad people get sick?
Just give me a straight answer please. Who created diseases like cancer and AIDS? God created everything right? So he created all the horrible diseases too?
Everyone is a sinner, including you and me. You can find scientific reasons why STDs and cancer exists, but the core reason is because of sin. Sin is responsible for the death, decay, diseases, natural disasters, and even animal predation in the world.
Gehenna, just give me a straight answer pls. Did God create cancer? It sounds like he did, but you keep skipping around the question. Also if God designed Adam and Eve to have free will and then they became sinners, it's still ultimately because of him for giving them the free will.
What kind of selfless God would create mankind to be susceptible to temptation, then punish them when they are tempted? What kind of God creates cancer to punish children who've never done anything wrong? What kind of God is allowing millions to die from war and famine and not do anything?
That's as straight of an answer I can give you. Is it the parents fault if their child acts erratically? A typically good kid decides to have some beer at a bar. He drives home drunk and hits and kills a pedestrian. Is that the parent's fault?
No because the parents don't DESIGN their child. Parents can raise their child, and they can do their best but no one raised Adam and Eve did they? God DESIGNED them and they went and sinned. Sounds like a fault in the design, right? If God didn't want them to sin, why didn't he design them to not be sinful?
The parent/child metaphor doesn't work like I said, cause parents don't design their child. They can only raise them as best they can. The design is God's, supposedly.
By the way, what sect of Christianity are you? am curious
Wait Gehenna, you keep being really vague about sin and cancer.
So let's say the first ever sin was Adam eating the apple, right? Are you saying that before that moment, cancer didn't exist. And then it came into being as he ate the apple and sinned?
Even though God is the main designer of humans, the mother and father do play a big role in the creation and design of the child.
I'm Southern Baptist.
Gehenna, so you're a Baptist, not a Mormon right? You don't believe in Mormonism; that the Native Americans are a lost tribe of Israel, that you God and Jesus have their own planets, that the Garden of Eden was in Missouri, etc.?
What if I was a Mormon priest and I told you about all this. What would your reaction be?
"So let's say the first ever sin was Adam eating the apple, right? before that moment, cancer didn't exist. And then it came into being as he ate the apple and sinned?"
Yes.
So Gehenna, sorry for a confusing train of conversation, but I have a question. So right as Adam ate the apple, cancer came into existence. Who did that? Humans? We can't make diseases magically appear.
Gehenna, when you learn History (at least in my school), you learn source analysis. It's stuff like reliability, bias, trying to seperate the genuine historical useful sources from complete crap. And I'm sorry, but the Bible is a terrible source. You can't definitively say much about anything based on it.
Also, Gehenna, why aren't you a Mormon? Joseph Smith wrote down everything God told him, why don't you believe Joseph Smith? What makes him less credible than the Bible?
Probably not all bad things came into existence after that. Perhaps over time. Right after that, they became mortal. They could now experience pain. They saw each other naked and felt shame and embarrassment.
***** how do i prevent myself from accidently walking into someones room while they are changing. and how were adam and eve supposed to not see each other naked if they didnt have clothes back then
How can Joseph Smith be taken seriously? The Bible was complete sometime after Jesus ascended, and then 1800 years later some guy says he was told by God we got things wrong.
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