Globalist, I am not entirely sure what you hope to achieve by arguing with Gehenna on his profile page. I highly recommend you read the book "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. It discusses why we as Christians don't believe in any other God in a very matter a fact way.
It follows Lee as a reporter(He might have been an Atheist at this point, or at the very least kept his questions unbiased) as he interviews various biblical scholars. I know many Atheists and Agnostics found it interesting at the very least, and I think many libraries will have a copy.
But arguing with *highly intelligent people* like you is more fun
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Can you give me a good reason or an example from the text as to why I might read it? I'm not gonna go out and spend money on another pile of Christian crap when Gehenna is much more entertaining.
Either you care about the truth or you don't, that is your reason. You have said that you cared about the truth, and this book answers a lot of your questions on the Bible and topics relating to the Bible. Also, like I said, your local library is likely to have a copy, and I know some library systems allow you to request the book from a different library.
The book has three sections to it: Examining whether or not the New Testament and its biblical accounts can be trusted, Analyzing the mental state of Jesus, and finally researching the Resurrection. Each section has multiple subsections, so let me know if you want to know those.
Well yeah I care about the truth. I care about whether or not the moon landing was faked but I don't go out and get books about moon landing conspiracy theories because they're moronic. If you really insist I'll do some research about this book, but I don't think the fact that I care about the truth means I should read any religious book you recommend.
This is why I do not believe you care to look into your version of the truth very much. I must have said 5+ times that I and the Catholic Church, believe that Evolution is a possibility to how the universe was created, however by believing in Evolution does not rule God out like many Atheists like to think.
1. I talk to many creationists I'm sorry not remembering your exact views. It's kind of a weird leap to take from "he can't remember my stance" to "he must not care about the truth".
2. In that second half there you say two things that are very odd to me. Firstly that "evolution is a possibility to how the universe was created"... You know that's not what evolution is, right?
Also I don't think many atheists think evolutionists can't believe in God. The largest bloc of Americans are theists who believe in evolution.
Believing in the Christian God or any "god" and believing in evolution are not mutually exclusive. But believing in things like the earth being 6,000 years old, Noah's ark, Adam and Eve etc. is directly contradictory to the scientific study of evolution.
I have found it useful when talking with Atheists to make the argument that believing in God and Evolution is not a crazy idea, but it seems you have already reached that point. On your next point, we don't believe that every part of the Bible should be interpreted word for word as fact.
The Bible as a whole is not 1 book per say, but a collection of the different books written by different authors. Thus, some of the books have different genres. For instance, Genesis is not a historical account but was written to show that God created the universe etc.. It's important to gauge the genre and who the book was directed to before delving right into the reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVsbVAVSssc&t=64s here is a video that might better explain my point. BTW, the channel has a lot more videos on the different points you have brought over time, just in case you were interested.
Butting in here. I'm not one to offer deep, intellectual, apologetic arguments for Christianity. I'm the kind of guy who seeks and presents the most simple and to-the-point answers. So, I'm not the best person for this kind of stuff.
enderdragon - I'm pretty sure Gehenna thinks that every part of the Bible is word-for-word fact. I'm sure you and most Christians don't, but there are people like him who do, is my understanding...
also the first thing the guy in ur vid does is compare Bible to Moby Dick...
No one lives their fking life by Moby Dick. If we were all raised to think that Moby Dick is our source of morality and we all went to Moby Dick school on Sunday then I guarantee you there would be morons who thought it was all true.
watching this vid and reading the comments - the general view seems to be that Genesis has always been viewed as allegorical. Um.... no. In places like MS and AL in America, Genesis is the more accepted view of how we came to be, evolution comes in second.
They also seem to think that even before modern science, Genesis was viewed as just a myth... I mean it was literally the only explanation that Christians had for how the world came to be. Before modern science you couldn't be blamed so much for believing it, because alternative knowledge didn't exist yet, although the belief would still be somewhat illogical.
The people in the comments seem annoyed about the "religion vs science" debate, like there aren't tens of millions of people in America alone who willfully ignore science and evidence in favor of their faith. It seems Catholics are generally smarter about this than Evangelicals but it doesn't mean these wackos don't exist (sorry Gehenna but you don't give me a lot to work with)
Actually, at least for Catholics, we do not believe there should be such a great divide between religion and science. Or at the very least a divide to the point where you either believe in science, or you believe in religion. Many of the different religious orders become science professors. I have a friend studying to be a Benedictine monk who is also studying Bio-Chem.
I wonder if other people read these debates for the chuckles, kinda funny, you guys argue for the sake of arguing most of the time, and every time gehenna says something religious globalist comes on and creates a argument, I think I see a pattern.
"Most sciences". Science isn't a collection of "sciences", it is a concept and an execution of that concept. When things are still being tested/proven of course there's room for reasonable debate but you can't consider yourself a person who agrees with science if you think the Earth is 6,000 years old.
a) fun
b) maybe I can convince Gehenna... maybe?
c) it's good practise for more serious debates about religion. It's kind of like starting the game on EASY mode
Science is not a religion. It's not as if you ignore one study, the whole system collapses. Besides, we can do just fine without knowing anything about evolution. It serves no real purpose in the structure of everyday life.
No, it's not like that. But it leaves major gaps in knowledge and can prevent real progress. You're an idiot if you think knowledge of evolution serves no purpose. Evolution is the BEDROCK (minecraft joke) of biology, which is a key part of science as a whole, and something that is important for example in curing diseases.
If we didn't know what evolution was, we'd be super bamboozled by how bacteria keep evolving to beat our antibiotics. We probably wouldn't have working antibiotics, which save lives. But we do know about how bacteria evolve, so we make different antibiotics to fight it.
Evolution tells us so much about life and biology - not believing in evolution doesn't dismantle the entire study of science but it makes biology pretty freaking confusing. It's like trying to do physics without knowing what an electron is. And yes we know electrons exist in the same way we know evolution is real - the scientific method of evidence, experimentation and deduction. You can't physically see an electron.
They're not caused by God but our sins. Sin is only based on Earth. It's not universewide. Though, wherever mankind goes, sin will follow. The natural phenomena on other planets are possibly nothing destructive. There's nothing to destroy on them.
Gehenna do you literally think tornadoes and hurricanes are caused by sins. do you not know how weather systems work? Meteorology? Did your parents teach you any of this sht?
It's OK to lust your spouse, but you should be "in love" with them. I feel as though a lot of relationships are "in lust". That's why divorce is so high. Lust is often mistaken for love. You should watch yourself.
A lot of things are opposite of love.
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