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Idea Banners.. and fence posts?

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Nohox, Jun 17, 2015.

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How should the flag be changed?

  1. Have banners sit on fence posts

    54 vote(s)
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  2. Keep banners standing on their own

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  1. Nohox

    Nohox [MCPVP]

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    Hey guys,

    As you all know, banners have replaced the fence post with a floating wool block. They are easier to see and flag carriers can be found more efficiently. What they cannot do though is stopping you from passing through them.

    Why is this even an issue?
    Since the merge with Brawl, CTF games are up to 70 players again, which causes the flag rooms to have more players in than usual. Most people entering an enemy flag room are immediately met with a whole bunch of swords of all kinds and get tossed around the room until they die. Having banners does not help this, in fact, trying to bring your player onto the flag spot and waiting there to steal it has become much more difficult as you can be knocked through the flag.
    The fence post however made it a little easier to run to the flag. You would notice when you are inside the flag steal radius and would not immediately get knocked away. Defenders also had the chance to keep you behind the fence post to hinder your escape.

    Unfortunately, banners take up a full block, so placing the old fence post inside the banner does not work. They can attach to invisible barrier blocks, but that makes the flag only accessible from three sides. After some testing, this could be a possible solution:
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    Placing a banner on a fence post works pretty well, although it makes the overall flag structure three blocks high. These are examples for banners in flag rooms placed on a fence:
    Blackout:
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    Castle Wars:
    [​IMG]

    Desert Strike:
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    Kill Creek:
    [​IMG]

    To be honest, it doesn't look all that bad. What do you think?
     
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    #1 Nohox, Jun 17, 2015
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  2. Romkelolol

    Romkelolol Well-Known Member

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    This isn't that much of a bad idea. Heck, this could get implemented right now.

    Also: Am I the only one where, who is a bit salty about the entire 'banner as flag' thing?
     
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    #2 Romkelolol, Jun 17, 2015
  3. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    Very nice idea! I was going to think of a complicated idea about floating Banners on top of the original Wool Fences about 20 blocks high so it could be easier... never mind it's complicated and unneeded... +1 from me!
     
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    #3 MrWaffleman, Jun 17, 2015
  4. DeadRhos

    DeadRhos Minimum Brain Size

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    I like it, +1 from me!
     
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    #4 DeadRhos, Jun 17, 2015
  5. Ironic_Gentleman

    Ironic_Gentleman Well-Known Member

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    I liiiiiiiiike! Do this. Please. I like the look of the banners, but the fencepost's hitbox is hugely useful.
     
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    #5 Ironic_Gentleman, Jun 17, 2015
  6. Akejsa

    Akejsa Active Member

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    +1, gj Nohox :grinning:
     
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    #6 Akejsa, Jun 17, 2015
  7. Chhimichanga

    Chhimichanga Well-Known Member

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    Looks pretty high up...but I assume it'll work nonetheless!

    GG.
     
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    #7 Chhimichanga, Jun 17, 2015
  8. GreenNature

    GreenNature Nature is Creative

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    Maybe we could just use wool still.
     
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    #8 GreenNature, Jun 17, 2015
  9. Lugia_

    Lugia_ support =D

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    I prefer this more than the current banner placement but overall I think the wool is the best way to go. If this gets added, I'll be a lot more pleased but I feel that the wool is the best option.
     
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    #9 Lugia_, Jun 17, 2015
  10. November

    November november

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    no thanks. cuz of the banners hitbox it makes ninja capping really difficult, you can't pearl while you are inside the banner. adding the banner on top of the flag just makes it even harder to do that. i would just stick with the wool entity on a flag post
     
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    #10 November, Jun 17, 2015
  11. Orangey

    Orangey Active Member

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    Why can't we have the wool block back?
     
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    #11 Orangey, Jun 17, 2015
  12. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    If everyone wants wool so badly couldn't there just be separate servers for these? Unneeded but seeing how badly you guys want it...
     
    #12 MrWaffleman, Jun 17, 2015
  13. Golfbot

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    Yeah b/c of the hitbox you can't block with your sword either.

    What would be the steal radius?
     
    #13 Golfbot, Jun 17, 2015
  14. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    I personally really like it! Although I do think that having the banner entity on a flagpost would be the best thing to do at this point, I don't see that happening anytime soon. +1 to this!
     
    #14 wintergreen3, Jun 17, 2015
  15. Adalbern_Akakios

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    Put a barrier in the top half of the banner! I made a post about this on the "about banners" thread. (Link is here!)
     
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    #15 Adalbern_Akakios, Jun 17, 2015
  16. GreenNature

    GreenNature Nature is Creative

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    That would be too much of a hassle, and the player base on each server would lower. =/
     
    #16 GreenNature, Jun 17, 2015
  17. Nohox

    Nohox [MCPVP]

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    [​IMG]

    Saw that post and tried it, but as mentioned the banner takes up a whole block (so no block can be placed "inside" of it) and attaching it to one side makes it float and only accessible from three sides. =(
     
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    #17 Nohox, Jun 17, 2015
  18. Pizze

    Pizze Well-Known Member

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    I think he means placing the barrier on top of the banner (it is possible with fire and cobwebs so it probably works), and then they would only have to extend the pickup radius
     
    #18 Pizze, Jun 17, 2015
  19. minecraftnoob999

    minecraftnoob999 Well-Known Member

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    No.
     
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    #19 minecraftnoob999, Jun 17, 2015
  20. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    If it'll make the server's community stop *****ing, I'm all in for it. In fact, I think this is an improvement to the flag's appearance.

    It doesn't even resemble a flag. The banner with a fence looks a lot simpler to do too.
     
    #20 F1r3tar, Jun 18, 2015
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