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Changes to CTF - My Opinion

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by KirbysDreamLand, Jun 18, 2015.

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  1. KirbysDreamLand

    KirbysDreamLand Well-Known Member

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    When I heard that CTF was online on Brawl, I rushed upstairs to my computer, logged in as fast as I could, and joined the server. After the initial joy and excitement that I felt when I realized that CTF was in fact online and no one was playing a joke on me wore off, I realized that the game looked almost completely different than it had on McPVP.

    This brings me to my first point - the new HUD. On McPVP, most of the information was located in the chat, with the exception of the timer and the indication of what game of the match you were playing on (1, 2, or 3), which were located in the scoreboard. Currently, all of the information is crammed into the scoreboard and the chat is left with only the death messages. This makes the scoreboard, a small space that should be used for storing simple information e.g. the time, very cluttered and just ugly. It also makes it pointless to look at the chat frequently and I find myself missing messages that I need to see in game because I have to look at the scoreboard now. What is the point of moving everything to the scoreboard anyway? I mean, what was wrong with the old HUD?

    I tried to put my frustration with the new HUD behind me, so I selected my main class, assassin, and made my way to the flagroom. I spent about 3 seconds looking for the flag post only to realize that it, along with the wool, had been replaced by none other than a big, ugly banner. At first, I was happy that the move to 1.8 that caused me lag and stuttering was finally justified with a new feature that would only work on 1.8, but then I realized that the banners did not behave exactly like the old flags did. Then I had a look on the forums and I found posts containing reason upon reason why the banners should not have been added. I suggest that instead of wasting time making these new banners work, we simply revert all of the changes that were made to the flags.

    Then I realized that CTF could have been online a lot sooner if the game had not been changed so much.

    TL;DR CTF was a lot better before the move to Brawl.

    Thanks for reading :smile:
     
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  2. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    CTF is still in beta. This isn't the final version, changes are still being made to make it better than it was when it was in McPvP.

    However, I do agree, I've stopped ninja capping simply because of how tricky it is to pick up the flag and get out - you can't pearl or block so you take a lot more damage and need to regularly ninja cap instead of pearl cap. Its also hard to pick up the flag even when you are soldier, it seems to take a much longer time.

    The titles are beginning to get annoying too, I can't wait until you can toggle them.
     
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  3. sulfuratus

    sulfuratus Well-Known Member

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    inb4 ur getting called out for tryharding

    On a serious note though, I like the scoreboard HUD. The chat tended to bug around, looking as if I was scrolling through it in high speed. This doesn't happen with the scoreboard. The new HUD also doesn't get screwed up by a different chat width.
     
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  4. dukeisawesome12

    dukeisawesome12 Well-Known Member

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    ye the sidebar is pretty ridiculous but i think the main problem is the banners (which, for the record, i wouldn't even mind if they behaved more like the old flags)

    also hie kirby!!!!
     
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  5. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    coming from the tryhard:

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    tryhard!

    But in all seriousness, I just shake it off now. I realised how dumb it was how some people called me a tryhard for literally supporting 1 staff member before.
     
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  6. Mhurdock

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    I really like the old CTF :frowning:
     
  7. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    As far as I know, you couldn't scroll up the chat because of the information display in chat. This can be very annoying if you weren't able to reply to a message instantly or any other occassion where you need to look at a bit older message.

    The scoreboard being more ugly than a chat display is opinionated, I personally always preferred Scoreboards.

    It is also easily possible to keep track of both, scoreboard and chat. You will for sure get used to that soon.

    Once more, a banner being more ugly than a fence post with wool above it is your personal opinion. If Minecraft provides a banner/flag already, why not use it rather than creating one with plugins?

    There are still some issues with the banner as flag, but CTF is still in Beta and they will be fixed soon.
     
  8. RaZeragon

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    If you guys are trying to keep this as similar to MCPVP as possible, here are the things you need to add.
    -Larger hitbox (You can jump through banners, whereas flagposts were solid objects which you could lean against to steal the flag. In very crowded flagrooms, it is near impossible to steal the flag since you are hit through it without being able to pick it up)
    -You need the banners to not block right click actions (Potions / Enderpearls / Arrows / Eggs / Blocking)
    -You need to have the flag be able to be picked up as an item, seeing as I have now had many experiences where I could not recover a flag on the stairs since it kept bouncing everywhere and would not go solid. I then died before the flag dropped to the bottom and someone else picked it up. This glitch used to happen with our flags, but at least you could recover them)
    Although the banners were added for "aesthetic reasons", I believe that they just make gameplay harder in a bad way. I understand that CTF is still in beta, but I'm unsure if all of these can be fixed. No, this post is not some MCPVP regular who is just angry because nostalgia. Should banners at least be fixed so they follow these things, then I would be fine with them (I also appreciate all the coders with their hard work, so in no way am I trying to hate on them). It should always be gameplay > aesthetics, and although I do like CTF as a defense oriented game, the challenge should be getting in and out of the flagroom alive with the flag, not stealing the flag. Just my 2 cents on the situation.
    @Lord_Roke
     
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  9. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    The issue isn't so much with the aesthetics of it, but more so the gameplay. You can't block when you are trying to pick up a flag, as well as being unable to use pearls or eggs as ninja. This, along with the seemingly increased time it takes to pick up the flag, is mostly why people dislike them.

    I understand its in beta, but hopefully when it is released these will be changed (although with banners, I don't think its possible to fix this. If they can't be changed, I think it'd be best to just stick with flag posts).
     
  10. Zusheqiel

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    you know what, as for someone who has played ctf since nearly the beginning i've only got this to say. CTF is still in beta on brawl, so quit being so butt hurt and get used to it. You know what i wish players could travel in ctf with a pack of dogs as a class, but you don't see me whining about it just because they won't add it.

    As to brawl, having to wait a little before getting the flag was a really good idea, it slowed down the game time that way people can actually play. the hud, also a good idea because i usually have chat turned off, so i dont have to listen to spam trolling and newbs(for some reason i still have it on). Oh and I know nom said he had a command that temp fixed the message on the screen, but it broke. Thank you for having to put up with ppl like me and the people above. Good luck with ctf. I'll be watching.
     
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  11. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    kirby may have had a negative thought on CTF, but its only feedback. I don't see how its being "butt hurt" at all.

    So... giving feedback = whining? If you want a class to be added, you should just suggest it on the forums. If the community like it, the staff will check it out. If the staff like it, they will test it. If it works out, it will be added.

    The 20 minute time limit is still in place, so most of the time it makes no difference.
     
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  12. Zusheqiel

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    It was more intended torwards kirby, it can go all around. It depends on how you give and how much you give the feed back that is what i considered whining. The dog thing was a mere example I could care less. As for the time limit, yes I enjoy the 20 minutes when it happens but it usually never does because it was too easy for ninjas and soldiers to get the flag. What should have been 20 minutes was then reduced 5 minutes and a slight shaking of the head. It used to happen all the time on mcpvp and I know because I'm one of the ones guarding the flag. Right now, I'm actually am enjoying ctf a little more because its actually a game now. You actually have to work at it to get something done. I am constantly hearing a lot of this "feedback" on teamspeak. Also, I'm getting my ass kicked by people who can actually pvp and i'm enjoying every minute of it.
     
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