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In the defense of Chemists.

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Sibs, Jul 1, 2015.

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  1. Sibs

    Sibs Well-Known Member

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    The chemist class as most of us know by now is considered one, if not the most powerful classes in the game currently to the point where accusations of it being overpowered occur daily. But unlike most other controversial classes, this class has to the best of my knowledge little or no players in support of the class being fair or balanced (At least from what I see in both forums and online conversations.) So while I do agree that this class has major unfair advantages I would like to hear from anyone who believes otherwise (Or at least thinks that what people think is overpowered is an over-exaggeration.) and why they honestly think so.
     
  2. Turmac

    Turmac Hardcore Games Enthusiast

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    #AddAClassThatInstaKillsPeopleWithPotionEffects
     
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  3. NumberZero21

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    It's up to interpretation which classes are good and which ones are bad. For the most part, the classes people say are Overpowered are classes they die to a lot (ex, I think assassin is OP because I die to them constantly).
     
  4. furtles

    furtles Well-Known Member

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    That's false @NumberZero21
    Of course, people die to OP classes a lot. But that's not why they are considered OP. They're OP because nothing can stop them (or a very small portion of classes).
     
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  5. NumberZero21

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    What defines "nothing can stop them"? @furtles ? I think Chemists are insanely easy to kill, because I'm good at killing them (And I mean I kill them with multiple classes, not just a lucky assassin hit). Someone else might not be able to kill them, which makes them think Chemists are overpowered. There isn't a single class that's quantifiably better or worse than any of the others. Yes, some classes are better at getting kills than other, and yes, some games see a class/player doing incredibly well, but that isn't because the class is OP, it's because the player is comfortable with the class, and the rest of the server isn't.
     
  6. Colonel_Graff

    Colonel_Graff http://www.brawl.com/games/ctf/lookup/188857/

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    Chemist: Too deep of a Health Pool for that much firepower. I've been saying for years, split the class into an offensive and defensive class (one class has the buffs and the other has the damage pots).
     
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  7. 5ive_Head

    5ive_Head Well-Known Member

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    That's a good idea Colonel_Graff. Although it still doesn't really change the health pool. Maybe if you reduced the amount of health pots and split them into 2 different classes that could work?
     
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  8. furtles

    furtles Well-Known Member

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    @NumberZero21 Not talking about chemist lol...

    I don't think your point is accurate. Pyro is stronger than all other classes than medic, and it really doesn't take skill. It takes maybe 10 minutes to get 'comfortable'.
     
  9. Sibs

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    @Colonel_Graff I would prefer it if we kept this thread relevant to the original point, this isn't a rework thread,
     
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  10. 5ive_Head

    5ive_Head Well-Known Member

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    Yep, sorry Sibs, let's have someone who believe chemist is a balanced class defend the class. No more rework discussion my bad xP
     
  11. Sibs

    Sibs Well-Known Member

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    @furtles @NumberZero21 Your argument is also starting to get off-topic as well. keep it relevant please.
     
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  12. NumberZero21

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    I was done, no worries.
     
  13. MineBrick12

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    I feel as the reason why people hate chemists is because the few people that play it are really good and proceeds to wreck havoc on the other team.
     
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  14. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    I believe chemist is balanced as far as support goes. The potions it can offer to help teammates are a great way of promoting teamwork as well. Where I see chemist being overpowered is when it's alone. High damage output and a huge healthpool make it an independent class in a team game, which to me shouldn't be a thing.
     
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    Andrwe Well-Known Member

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    I went to CTF on a whim, and coming from soup pvp I was disappointed by the...forgive me...lack of skill (I mean like it's very easy to steak). Chemist looked like it had the most potential, and could be used skillfully. I personally never thought it was OP, but eventually did notice other people hated it.
    I support chemist too : D.
    I think our complaints should be about assassin, but only in an ideal world. I have come to terms with CTF :stuck_out_tongue:.
     
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  16. Hanatamago_San

    Hanatamago_San Active Member

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    Chemist by itself is overpowered in terms of its health pool and damage, but that amount of power does have a place in the game as things stand. By being overpowered, it can counter the other broken and unbalanced parts of CTF, which is useful, albeit a little unfair.
     
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  17. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    Agreeing with what Hana said about chemists "overpoweredness", I believe if the class were to be tweaked others such as pyro would have to be tweaked accordingly.
     
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  18. furtles

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    Pyro will have to be changed regardless of is anything changes or not.
     
  19. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    Since not on topic, I won't post my opinion of this here, but check pms.
     
  20. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    Even though it's off topic I think it's something that should be mentioned when talking about Chemist.

    Worrying "We'll have to change _____ if we change ____" is pointless, balancing a class will almost always result in the need to balance other classes because of how imbalanced the game is currently.

    Chemist is annoying and has become a mainstream class that has become even more popular due to the Ninja nerf. If I were to defend anything I would say it's proof that Instakills, though overpowered, can still be topped by non instakills.
     
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