Changing server kits and more

Elf bow 45 second cool down: 45 seconds is waaaay too long for any cool down.
Pyro, chemist, and soldier are getting a nerf.
Archer's problems do not lie with it's armor.
Ninja isn't OP, it's extremely vulnerable, and the 2 pearl damage is fine. It's so easy to heal.
The next class to be added will be Scout (free recovery)
Messages should be common things in chat like "on my way" "thanks" "medic!" "help me!" "recover please!" "cap". I've never seen anyone say attack.

 

Pretty good ideas. This post is going to cause some major arguments or "debates", debates as in insulting while forcing opinions on others, so basically like presidential debates.

 

I love the in game messages so much. Please add more. I know for a fact people still want /udwm, and /s is broken because it's used as a different command server wide.

 

The problem with Archer is it's vulnerability to Ninjas.

 

And it's head shots. Don't forget the headshots.

 

Nom apparently has a fix for this already, but can't upload it because apparently the uploader is broken. I'm a second hand source for this, but I'm fairly sure this is the reason it hasn't already been fixed.

Elf needs a purpose, not just more random abilities. At the moment it doesn't really does a role really well yet, so the class does really need to be redesigned for a specific purpose. It would be nice to see someone who plays elf come up with a viable solution

I think that rework is on top of just about everyone's list so I don't think you have to worry about that! It'll probably the class fixed the first

This wouldn't fix the problems with archer at all, if anything it would encourage archers to long range camp more because they're weaker short range, and random kill. If anything this would make the problem worse rather than better!

The reason ninja is OP at the moment is because there's a glitch at the moment where ninja is dealing crit damage as normal damage. This hopefully will be fixed ASAP.

This sounds like quite an interesting class, maybe you should make this class idea in more detail on a separate thread in the server ideas section.

Sounds like quite a good idea

 

U dun wan mess.

It can't just be me who thinks that shotgun threads like this don't actually accomplish anything, right? If you're going to harp on CTF's issues, at least do it in some detail. Spitting out problems without proposing some form of a well-thought-out solution is more complaining than criticizing.

 

Nah you're not.

@LordCh4os I don't even know what the heck Elf does or how it's anything more significant than a good concept that turned into a last minute money grab by McPVP.

 

I'm gonna be honest and say yeah I do agree that this kind of shotgun thread does little other than complain about the stuff that is wrong with the class. With that said in this case @fuy2000 has actually come up with some ideas to fix the problems he has raised, and it might be beneficial to hear them out in detail in different server idea threads.

 

I'unno, I don't see any benefit in any of the changes he's proposing. Maybe more detail would be nice, but so far;

Pretty much everyone's already said that the middle words should go,

the elf change wouldn't help give elf any purpose, instead only adding another random gadget,

The archer change just makes archer worse, because removing both the punch and the helmet just makes it more compelling to rely on headshots,

Ninjas can heal their damage by crouching and blocking so ninja's ender pearl damage gives it at least one potential weakness,

And the spy class, going off of the detail given, would be entirely useless for any gameplay, basically being a less powerful, less mobile, less flexible ninja with the potential to steal flags while invisible.

So yeah, more detail, less shotgun.

 

personally I like to hear people out in detail. After all it is worth checking out whether or not there are some good ideas

 

Elf exists... and that's pretty much it.

 

Chemist was never that much of a capping class until I came along. We just need the right player to show us how it's done.

 

You have a very good point. But chemist was designed with a role, to be supportive. Any very good player can make a class perform a role it wasn't originally designed for, but usually the class is designed for a role, whereas elf isn't. I wasn't trying to say people can't make it perform a role. I've seen quite a few use elf as a capping class too, but it wasn't designed for that role in particular

 

No, it was very much a capping class. The only issue was that chemist could be instakilled by Archer, which was a huge drawback. Once the chemist buff/nerf/change occurred, many more people started playing it. Elf just doesn't have that usefulness that chemist did.

 

Oh man, those were the days weren't they? Way back when there was a free class counter to Chemist...